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Dave Canales is one and done.... part 2.

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34 minutes ago, strato said:

When I used the word "gutted", if I did, it is in the context of a longer term neglect.

Without adding in the money freed up by not spending on Burns, without counting sending DJ Moore off for offense (? made no sense), traded Dante Jackson for offense, all that stuff... just looking at three years of draft picks plus one still to be paid 2nd round for 2025, I am putting the tally below. 

What is very glaring is that in the last three years the highest draft pick used on defense is #70 of 2022 which was traded for a defensive player (CJ Henderson). After that, you have #72 for Wallace, #76 and #80 which went for another defensive player (Gilmore) and a defensive draft pick (DJ Johnson).

THAT IS IT IN 3 YEARS.

#70, #72, #76, #80 Big whoop. Wait and add up everything that went offense draft wise. It is no wonder why the defense is hurting.

2022

#6 Icky

#38 Darnold

#70 CJ Henderson

2023

#9 Bryce Young

#39 Mingo

#61 Bryce Young

#76 S Gilmore

#80 DJ Johnson

2024

#1 Bryce Young

#32 X Legette

#46 Brooks

#72 Wallace

#101 Sanders

2025

#1? 

#33 Bryce Young

Those defensive picks add up to 254 points or something on the trade value chart. May run out of edit time trying to add the totals for those offensive picks, but it will be WELL over 10 times that when all is calculated. 

It wasn’t directed at you. I’m talking about the people acting like it happened over the offseason just to fix the OL. You have been spot on. 

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2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It wasn’t directed at you. I’m talking about the people acting like it happened over the offseason just to fix the OL. You have been spot on. 

Thanks. I wasn't taking it like that I just wanted to clarify and to get that list in play so people can see exactly what the scoop is and why things have regressed so bad over there on that side. 

It is a stark contrast. 

The only way I can even accept it is if this was a two year plan and the defense is coming but I still didn't like it. Too much imbalance. 

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      To start with, you wouldn’t want to count up that value chart. You would see quickly where that is headed. But you basically did a quantity comparison, while ignoring quality.  I am looking at 2023 as the start, because it became all about Bryce.  2023 you have 4 picks plus DJ Moore for offense vs 2 (80 and 145) for defense.  2024 you got the 1st overall, the 32, the 46 and the 101 for offense vs 72, 157, 200 and 240 for defense. Leave the FA IOL out of it. Which was a crazy big  investment. But it wasn’t draft.  Anyway, that is basically 4 top 100 picks for offense and 4 picks for defense in 2024. Except they were 2 first rounders, the second rounder, and the 4th was really high at 101. Vs 72 and day three stuff. Please….  Second quoted/bolded… See you think we hate Bryce. That isn’t it at all. It is nice easy way to characterize us and discredit our talking points though.   Me, I do mostly hate watching him play. But I don’t hate the person. I hate the hell out of the stanning.  It started with the very first question I asked about his footwork, arm strength, and size. Height being the principle objection. I never even got to the durability factor. There was plenty without factoring that in.  But there was rabid opposition to even asking the question of what a couple of small fractions of a second extra closing time would do for the defenders.  What the extra time it takes to flip the hips would do vs a pass rush or on the other end after the ball is in the air. Split second more for recognition where it is going for the DBs.  The tippy toe backpedal.  That poo was a mess and it has always been mess but no Bryce fan wanted to hear it. “Go get another team to root for”. “It worked in the SEC it will be fine in the NFL you don’t know football you are just a hater”.  It got worse when the real games started. It has never stopped. It is nice that many people have left that train so there is less abuse but it hasn’t stopped.  So whatever… 
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      The draft capital since since 2023 has in no way been pretty even.  Especially when you zero in on day 1 and day 2 draft picks.  Draft capital has vastly gone toward the O over D.  
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