One huge problem w/ the QB situation

[Delhommey]

Somehow guys like Joe Flacco and Peyton Manning have managed to develop without a strong vet QB to lead the way. I'll just have to rest easy knowing that.

[CRA]

yeah, I guess it is hysterical to think an NFL QB coach needs to learn a thing or 2 about every aspect of being an NFL QB... god forbid if they start requiring QB coaches to know how to teach NFL QBs how to play in an NFL game and lead a team to victory..

I'm sure that's why they get paid as much as they do and why every team budgets an average NFL vet QB to do what they are paying the QB coach to do..

again, man, why did Clausen fall? What are the concerns about him per most reports? Pretty sure it would be wise for a vet to show him the things that Rip has simply never had experience with.....and Rip has never experienced that as an NFL QB. Bottom line. Rip can't help him in regards to dealing w/ a lockerroom of NFL players as the QB in the same manner someone who has done it can....

Not all QBs need the same type help in those areas. Clausen is the poster child for it coming out....and those reasons are in fact why we landed him at 48.

[Cyberjag]

again, man, why did Clausen fall? What are the concerns about him per most reports? Pretty sure it would be wise for a vet to show him the things that Rip has simply never had experience with.....and Rip has never experienced that as an NFL QB. Bottom line. Rip can't help him in regards to dealing w/ a lockerroom of NFL players as the QB in the same manner someone who has done it can....

Not all QBs need the same type help in those areas. Clausen is the poster child for it coming out....and those reasons are in fact why we landed him at 48.

Find me a quote that's not hearsay which discusses his lack of leadership or maturity. For all we know, that whole idea could be something cooked up and spread around by Bradford's agent.

[bleys]

I'm just curious about something.

A lot of people are questioning his maturity and leadership. Can anyone point to any actual person with experience playing or working with him who questions his maturity and leadership? Are there any ex-ND players out there who feel like he's lacking in either area that are willing to say so? What about coaches? Anyone?

It's easy to engage in character assassination, and when it works it works well. But it's not always founded in fact, and maybe this time the Panthers are the big beneficiaries of such a campaign.

his leadership ability was under question in his sophomore season.. that he didn't come right in an take over.. since that season it has been reported that he took over the leadership role and one source actually said his "abrasive attitude" was more that he was willing to get in your face and control a situation.. much like what Brady, Manning, any QB with leadership abilities have been seen to do..

we'll see how well that transitions, obviously.. but I haven't seen any reports saying it was still an issue.. none that were close to the situation anyhow.

again, man, why did Clausen fall? What are the concerns about him per most reports? Pretty sure it would be wise for a vet to show him the things that Rip has simply never had experience with.....and Rip has never experienced that as an NFL QB. Bottom line. Rip can't help him in regards to dealing w/ a lockerroom of NFL players as the QB in the same manner someone who has done it can....

Not all QBs need the same type help in those areas. Clausen is the poster child for it coming out....and those reasons are in fact why we landed him at 48.

who gives a poo really? why did Tom Brady fall? why did Aaron Rodgers fall? we can ask these questions all day..

what does that have to do with how you seem to think a QB coach who played QB at some point in his career has no idea how to instill a little leadership any more than a vet QB?

I don't get why you think a QB coach isn't capable of teaching leadership.. it is in their job description you know.. it is something they are expected to do, that they get paid to do..

he isn't, as you say, a 20 something year old who never picked up a book or lead a team...

you have yet to answer that question...

[Delhommey]

It also left one AFC executive a bit baffled: “I don’t know what those teams were thinking. I like the kid, we just don’t need him. … He was overvalued early, but he still should have been picked before No. 48.”

An NFC executive generally agreed, saying he considered Clausen a “very good player.”

“He’s not as good an athlete as Sam Bradford(notes), so he doesn’t have that upside,” the executive said. “But if you put him on a team with good players, he’ll be very good. That stuff about him not being a great leader, he’s a better leader than Bradford.

“Bradford is a really quiet, understated guy. Clausen is a bit of a [jerk]. He’s not afraid to tell guys what needs to be said. He’ll get in somebody’s face in a hurry. You need that from your quarterback, as long as he does it in the right way.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-clausenpanthers042310

As we were saying...

[bleys]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-clausenpanthers042310

As we were saying...

this was that source I mentioned, forgot where I read it originally..

[Big Ed]

Dang he is a leader

Want need a vet now

Quick someone start a thread

How long before he gets in Smitty's face

[CRA]

Find me a quote that's not hearsay which discusses his lack of leadership or maturity. For all we know, that whole idea could be something cooked up and spread around by Bradford's agent.

seriously? I could post a thousand things.......from high school through his junior year.....that show it. Obviously it would be pointless b/c once he put on a Panther uniform some are choosing to act like this kid doesn't have some red flags. So the most talented QB in the draft was passed over by every NFL team (some mutliple times) before Carolina grabbed him b/c of a Bradford's agent spreading lies? LOL. Dude, all those were question marks way before the draft.

"When you're meeting a Notre Dame quarterback, you expect to walk away and say, 'Man, that guy is sharp. He's got it going on.' You can just sense something. Without getting into it, those are the things, the few times I've talked to him, I haven't come away thinking."

that quote was after two thirds of his college career was over....even if improvement is made....that is called a red flag and sign he needs attention at the postion that has nothing to do w/ the mechanics and play on the field.

[koolkatluke]

Can somone tell me if Steve B still doing TV work for the Panthers. Would he be the prefect person too give Jimmy advice. Former ND QB also a former Panther QB.

[megadeth078]

seriously? I could post a thousand things.......from high school through his junior year.....that show it. Obviously it would be pointless b/c once he put on a Panther uniform some are choosing to act like this kid doesn't have some red flags. So the most talented QB in the draft was passed over by every NFL team (some mutliple times) before Carolina grabbed him b/c of a Bradford's agent spreading lies? LOL. Dude, all those were question marks way before the draft.

"When you're meeting a Notre Dame quarterback, you expect to walk away and say, 'Man, that guy is sharp. He's got it going on.' You can just sense something. Without getting into it, those are the things, the few times I've talked to him, I haven't come away thinking."

that quote was after two thirds of his college career was over....even if improvement is made....that is called a red flag and sign he needs attention at the postion that has nothing to do w/ the mechanics and play on the field.

at the end of the day, all he has to do is throw the lemon-shaped piece of skin at players wearing the same color. You guys are looking way too much into bullshit that won't even matter. You can become a leader by just playing well.

[bleys]

Just another tidbit to share from walterfootball.com

Summary: Jimmy Clausen is a franchise quarterback. He has carried the spotlight since he was a teenager and has surpassed the hype. He has an outstanding skill set with the elite intangibles you see in the great quarterbacks. Clausen isn't fazed by tense situations and has great leadership when the game is on the line. He puts in the hours to be a great quarterback and you see it on tape. Clausen will likely be the first quarterback drafted and is a projected top-five draft pick.

I just hope it translates...

[DaveThePanther2008]

Lets not forget Fox told him our system is almost identical to the one he played in at Notre Dame. It isn't a new system just different verbage. I don't think this is going to be much of an issue. Hopefully, Clausen is mature enough to know the knock on him and prepared to be a better pro than college QB.

Go Panthers

[Panther59]

"When you're meeting a Notre Dame quarterback, you expect to walk away and say, 'Man, that guy is sharp. He's got it going on.' You can just sense something. Without getting into it, those are the things, the few times I've talked to him, I haven't come away thinking."

If you don't mind me asking who is the author of this quote?

Look, I'm not convinced one way or the other that Clausen is ready to lead this team. That's not up to me or any of us for that matter to decide. So any quote you could manage to dig up from anyone not associated with the Carolina Panthers is a moot point at this time.

Obviously JR and Hurney are sold on Clausens talent and feel confident that he has the ability to lead this team so who are you to question that. You pay any of these guy's full salaries? I didn't think so. And besides I am confident that like others have already said, the likes of Steve Smith, Jeff Otah, Jordan Gross and other leaders on the offense are gonna keep any attitude problems Clausen may or may not have in check. In fact, I'm still not sold that he's gonna have ego problem's coming into our organization, I mean he slipped from top 10 pick to 48. He's got alot to prove to alot of doubters and he is very well aware of that. In fact he's already been quoted as saying he is ready to get to work and is appreciative of the fact that Carolina jumped on him the first chance they had. Any and all ego/attitude/leadership problems aside, he's a smart and very talented QB, and I'm sure he know's that if he works hard and grabs this thing by the ballz this could be the most perfect situation for him to have "lucked up" at 48 and fallen into.

IMO Clausen would have had way more of a problem with his ego, attitude, and leadership skills if he would have went in the top 10. Luckily that's not the situation! I give him a fighting chance! GO PANTHERS!!!

[bleys]

none of this is really that big of a deal since we have a QB coach and several football players on our team who will help him with leadership.. he has a long way to go, we all know this because he is a rookie..

but a vet QB isn't the only way to teach this dude how to lead a team..

he has money, if he sucks so bad at leadership he can hire someone to hold his hand.. he isn't going to bust because we don't have a vet QB lol..