Search 4 a Franchise QB

[Carolina_Pride]

I think Hurney is trying to find a Franchise QB whether he comes back or not. We all know the best teams in the league have a franchise QB and I think by drafting Jimmy and Tony their obvious outlook is a franchise qb.

Between Moore, Clausen and Pike one of these qb's has to emerge as the leader of this organization. I know we have the best running combo in the NFL but as we know when Carolina was forced to pass the ball they have failed.

Bringing in these 2 young guys gives us options and only outlook is to the future of this organization. Tony I think will be 3rd string if not practice squad but Clausen and Moore will be a great battle and I look forward to watching one of these guys develop into the FUTURE of the Panthers.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

I agree, but why did the front office wait so long to look for one? After Moore has, in my opinion, shown he can handle the starting job, the front office goes and drafts three quarterbacks. Yes, I know Edwards won't be playing quarterback, but still.

You know how many quarterbacks Fox and Co. have drafted since 2002 prior to this draft? Two: LeFors and Fasani.

It's like they just discovered that we needed a franchise quarterback, when Matt Moore gave every impression he could be that guy. I would have been fine with either the Clausen or the Pike pick -- as I recognize both were tremendous "value" picks -- but we have much more pressing needs.

[Carolina_Pride]

I liked the Clausen pick but when I saw we had picked Pike I spiked my BB into the floor. I wish we would have taken Rolle with our last 6th round pick. I know ppl can question his passion but the man wouldn't be in the draft if he didn't care about football.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

I liked the Clausen pick but when I saw we had picked Pike I spiked my BB into the floor. I wish we would have taken Rolle with our last 6th round pick. I know ppl can question his passion but the man wouldn't be in the draft if he didn't care about football.

Part of me wanted to see us take Rolle there as well.

[bleys]

Bringing in these 2 young guys gives us options and only outlook is to the future of this organization. Tony I think will be 3rd string if not practice squad but Clausen and Moore will be a great battle and I look forward to watching one of these guys develop into the FUTURE of the Panthers.

If Pike is as advertised, I doubt he'll make it onto the practice squad.. seems a lot of people are high on him..

I agree, but why did the front office wait so long to look for one? After Moore has, in my opinion, shown he can handle the starting job, the front office goes and drafts three quarterbacks. Yes, I know Edwards won't be playing quarterback, but still.

You know how many quarterbacks Fox and Co. have drafted since 2002 prior to this draft? Two: LeFors and Fasani.

It's like they just discovered that we needed a franchise quarterback, when Matt Moore gave every impression he could be that guy. I would have been fine with either the Clausen or the Pike pick -- as I recognize both were tremendous "value" picks -- but we have much more pressing needs.

It feels like to me that we fell into this situation more than any great realization.. I'm blurry on the detail on whether we tried to move into the 1st.. I don't think we did. Clausen was supposed to be gone before day 2 of the draft.. Since he fell to the 2nd, we tried to move up but didn't offer a 1st round draft pick and couldn't make it happen. He just so happened to fall to the 48th pick and we picked up what could be our franchise QB..

I don't see anything that sticks out as this was their main plan all along.. Obviously, with Edwards being a WR on our depth chart, the franchise QB shouldn't be labeled with him, obviously.. Tony Pike may have been on our radar the whole time, but who expects him to really compete as a franchise QB in the next 3 years...

With that said, I don't see it as we had this whole realization of needing a franchise QB, and making it our main goal of the draft...

Clausen fell to us, we took him. Pike wasn't going to be anything immediate. so was a franchise QB really that big on our radar?

after all, we do have Matt Moore who could be a solid starter, if that's what he continues to prove to be..

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one thing I'd like to add, which is annoying to me (because I see the benefit of keeping them through the frustration =) but in the grand scheme of things is a positive... is how Hurney/Fox do seem to learn from their mistakes the longer they coach/gm..

It's frustrating because it seems to take them a while to lower their stubborness and address issues...

Our offensive line was in shambles for quite a few years.. we addressed that and made it happen.. even by bringing in a shitload of OLinemen at the start of the '08 season..

We were in the habit of keeping veterans long after their prime, and even as of recently we've kept some past their effectiveness, we've gotten better about releasing players... Foster was around the time we started and this off-season shows the progression (granted the lack of a CBA/lockout has a strong hold on this issue)..

Now we've had Matt Moore.. if he's legit, we've been working on the franchise QB thing (technically).. but in this year we've at least attempted to address the WR position, something that we can agree was on their agenda.. and attempted to address the QB position...

looks like we may have to see how long it takes them to really address the DLine, unless it is addressed and we just have to wait and see how our new DT's and DE's step up...

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I don't care whether you are defensive or offensive oriented.. you need a balanced attack on both sides of the ball. That involves a QB, some average to above average RBs, a couple WRs, and a solid Oline...

it is a lot to ask, and that's where the good teams separate themselves through the draft...

it only costs you a shitload of money when you are paying high prices to sign FA's when you can't replace starters through the draft..

This is our philosophy.. the last 3 years we've gotten better at drafting and I hope it continues, but this philosophy gets really exciting when you start letting FA's go and get draft picks in return... that or you trade them and still get draft picks in return...

You start to enjoy draft day much like the Patriots have in the last couple years..

[Carolina_Pride]

I agree, Franchise QB wasn't our goal but it turned into the real outcome of the draft. I think with what the panthers have now they can develop a young gifted qb whether it Clausen or Moore.

[eViL jEsTeR]

I agree, but why did the front office wait so long to look for one? After Moore has, in my opinion, shown he can handle the starting job, the front office goes and drafts three quarterbacks. Yes, I know Edwards won't be playing quarterback, but still.

You know how many quarterbacks Fox and Co. have drafted since 2002 prior to this draft? Two: LeFors and Fasani.

It's like they just discovered that we needed a franchise quarterback, when Matt Moore gave every impression he could be that guy. I would have been fine with either the Clausen or the Pike pick -- as I recognize both were tremendous "value" picks -- but we have much more pressing needs.

how has moore shown he "can handle" the starting job? he's only played in a hadfull of games. (against teams resting staters?)

moore needs to prove himself over the course of a season, not just in a few games to close out a season.

[SCP]

I don't think the Vikes or Giants were resting starters when we played them with Moore at the helm.

[rayzor]

how has moore shown he "can handle" the starting job? he's only played in a hadfull of games. (against teams resting staters?)

moore needs to prove himself over the course of a season, not just in a few games to close out a season.

name the games in which the other team was resting their starters, please....

also list all the games he started last year that weren't important for the other team to win.

kthx....

[rayzor]

i don't think that this was the first year they had QBs ranked highly. remember they had interest in matt ryan. there were probably more but they probably were taken too early in the draft. thats the problem with having a team in which you never finish with less than 7 wins (fox/hurney era panthers)...you don't find yourself in the early part of the draft very often.

this year we had two QBs that were highly regarded inexplicably fall right into the panthers lap. you have a team that is making a real change at QB for the first time in quite a long time and you have good QBs fall to you late so why not make sure you have the right one going into the future? could have stopped at picking up one but why not pick up another to have some real competition?

[CharlotteBeer.com]

I mean, really. What more does Moore have to do to prove himself? You could continue on with this argument of playing a whole season, but unless you let him actually do so you'll never know.

I know one thing for certain: he's proven himself capable of winning games in the NFL. Clausen and Pike can't say that as of yet.

[SorthNarolina]

how has moore shown he "can handle" the starting job? he's only played in a hadfull of games. (against teams resting staters?)

moore needs to prove himself over the course of a season, not just in a few games to close out a season.

2007 he beat the playoff bound Seahawks in his first start EVER. He then followed up with nearly being the playoff bound Cowboys who were the #1 seed that year.

He then blew out the Bucs, who rested their starters.

2009 he beat the crappy bucs, lost to the playoff bound pats in a pretty close game,

He beat the playoff bound vikings, they were blitzing 6-7 guys in the 2nd half which is when he started really picking them apart.

He beat the giants who were fighting for a playoff spot in what was supposed to be a big game for them.

He then beat the Saints, who rested their starters.

So he's lost 2 games out of 8, both games were against playoff bound teams that were fighting for playoff positions. He's beaten 3 teams that were fighting for playoff position.

His handful of games has been pretty impressive. He's had a rating above 90 five times. Even if 2 of those were halfway against backups, that's pretty good.

I'll agree that he hasn't played enough games to be the un-questioned starter. But he literally could not have played any better in those limited opportunities. You need to give him more credit.

[bleys]

I mean, really. What more does Moore have to do to prove himself? You could continue on with this argument of playing a whole season, but unless you let him actually do so you'll never know.

I know one thing for certain: he's proven himself capable of winning games in the NFL. Clausen and Pike can't say that as of yet.

your exactly right- he has earned the opportunity to play a full season (unless he completely sucks it up)..

since he hasn't played a full season, we can't say for sure how good he'll be.. but he has played a few games that show he has been succesful...

that's the nature of this game, he falls under that thin line where he hasn't played a full season, but he has earned the chance to start a full season..