I may as well be the 1st 2 say: Moore is NOT the answer

[CatMan72]

i have no problem with that...of course it is just the bucs. i'll gladly give him til the bye week but so far it isn't looking good. memory of last year's performance at the beginning of the season is still fresh on my mind.

Right, so the way I'm looking at it is if he struggles against the lowly Bucs then I'm going to be VERY concerned about his ability to get the job done.

If he does well or great against the Bucs then I think it demonstrates he can get the job done under the right conditions and you build from there.

If the only teams he can play well against this year are lame duck teams like the Bucs, then I think it tells you he's not the man for the job.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

How can you be any worse than Moore was last Sunday? Not even Jake would throw three picks into the end zone.

You do realize that this is exactly what everyone was saying last year when speaking of Moore, right?

[top dawg]

It's been said that the backup quarterback is the most popular player on the team, and no where is this more true than with the Carolina Panthers.

Once Clausen throws his first pick, there will be faction of posters calling for Tony Pike to start.

Come on, Double B, surely you aren't suggesting that I am a part of that lunatic fringe.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

Come on, Double B, surely you aren't suggesting that I am a part of that lunatic fringe.

I'm just saying: last year, we didn't think it was possible for Moore to play worse than Jake. His play last weekend was certainly up there (or down there), but I'm not ready to write him off completely because of it.

It took many bad games for me to say Jake wasn't our guy, and I'm willing to give Moore the same time. I don't see how you can judge the guy off one game this year and not his five last year, especially considering our offensive line appears to be a shadow of its former self.

Don't even get me started about the playcalling.

Football's a team game, and this team didn't prove it could win last week. If we're going to start benching players based on last week's game, then these guys will probably be riding pine next week:

Gross

Kalil

LaFell

Munnerlyn

Marshall

Gamble

Godfrey

[top dawg]

You do realize that this is exactly what everyone was saying last year when speaking of Moore, right?

The difference is that Moore, by most sane accounts, never had the pedigree, skill set, college career, or just general buzz of the golden child.

The basic thing that Moore did have was that he wasn't post-Cardinal-game Jake.

[panthers55]

If the result against Tampa is poor it doesn't make it Moore's fault. He has already shown that when he is given talent he can do well. He beat them last year. Instead of heaping it on Moore how about recognizing the elephant in the room. We gutted so many veterans off the team that the team that lost to the Giants was nowhere close to the one that stomped them last year.

If we play well and win then the elephant gets much smaller and getting rid of the veterans doesn't look so wrong. But as other have said, this is a team game not one person's to win or lose.

[CatMan72]

How can you be any worse than Moore was last Sunday? Not even Jake would throw three picks into the end zone.

Nobody expects Clausen to come in and save the day. He's a rookie. Not many of them light the world on fire their first year, but many of them do show enough to let people know if they are for real.

Yup, it's hard to do worse than throwing 3 picks in the endzone...

If you take a sack in each of those situations you still walk away with 9 points and we only lost by 13. If you take 2 sacks and only score one touchdown in one of those situations we tie.

It actually amazes me that we could have such an epic meltdown and still only lose by 13 points...

[CatMan72]

If the result against Tampa is poor it doesn't make it Moore's fault. He has already shown that when he is given talent he can do well. He beat them last year. Instead of heaping it on Moore how about recognizing the elephant in the room. We gutted so many veterans off the team that the team that lost to the Giants was nowhere close to the one that stomped them last year.

If we play well and win then the elephant gets much smaller and getting rid of the veterans doesn't look so wrong. But as other have said, this is a team game not one person's to win or lose.

If Matt throws more interceptions based on incredibly bad decision making, like the interceptions he threw in the Giants game, then you can't lay the blame for that on anyone else. I don't care about the protection, playcalling, yada, yada, yada - the QB's job is to protect the ball... if the only receiver you see is a TE in triple coverage than throw it out of the back of the endzone and live to fight another down.

It's fine to discuss what he did last year, but something changes when they make you the starter. We've seen this play out time and time again... see Derek Anderson for a recent example.

[top dawg]

I'm just saying: last year, we didn't think it was possible for Moore to play worse than Jake. His play last weekend was certainly up there (or down there), but I'm not ready to write him off completely because of it.

It took many bad games for me to say Jake wasn't our guy, and I'm willing to give Moore the same time. I don't see how you can judge the guy off one game this year and not his five last year, especially considering our offensive line appears to be a shadow of its former self.

Don't even get me started about the playcalling.

Football's a team game, and this team didn't prove it could win last week. If we're going to start benching players based on last week's game, then these guys will probably be riding pine next week:

Gross

Kalil

LaFell

Munnerlyn

Marshall

Gamble

Godfrey

Come on, man, I hate that argument. Some of these guys are proven talent at their positions. Can you, with a straihgt face, say Moore is the same?

He is the QB---the leader on the field. If the QB fails, then the team doesn't have any chance whatsoever. None! if the other guys fail, then you can kind of fake it through. Not so much with the quarterback. Throwing picks into the end zone is a game killer. I can make the argument that we still could have won the game if he just throws one of those, into the end zone, instead of three. Yeah, it's a team sport, but your offense goes through the QB.

You know what I'm saying.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

If Matt throws more interceptions based on incredibly bad decision making, like the interceptions he threw in the Giants game, then you can't lay the blame for that on anyone else. I don't care about the protection, playcalling, yada, yada, yada - the QB's job is to protect the ball... if the only receiver you see is a TE in triple coverage than throw it out of the back of the endzone and live to fight another down.

It's fine to discuss what he did last year, but something changes when they make you the starter. We've seen this play out time and time again... see Derek Anderson for a recent example.

I'm not justifying those passes, because they shouldn't have been thrown, but you can't tell me that being down that late in the game with horrible pass protection didn't affect Moore's decision making.

[top dawg]

talk about the "fickle fan base" is getting on my nerves.

you back one guy on the team until he looks like crap and then say he looks like crap and wanting/expecting to see something better is fickle? it's being a bad fan? bunch of judgemental pricks.

i read the crap article form sorenson or whoever it was at the charrlotte observer calling out fickle fans and it bugged me as much as this.

i don't have any loyalty to any one player. its th team that i am loyal to. a player has my belief that he can do the job until it looks like he can't. i have yet to see anything so far that would lead me to believe that moore is what we saw in the past. the decision making was poor. three INTs in the redzone? what a bunch of crap.

for sure blame goes to the coaching staff and oline for that fiasco. blame could go to the WRs but they aren't the one responsible for having them put on the field in the first place or the decision to throw to them in the endzone when we should have been doing what we do best. it was moore's decision to throw it into that coverage. it was moore's decision to not throw it away. last year he would have. not sure what changed but from the way it looks, he is playing differently than he did.

people will say that he has looked better than anyone in practice but since when does he practice well? he went from someone who doesn't practice well but plays well when in the game to someone who practices well but gives an inferior product when in the game.

until he shows that he can do better, the burden is going to be on him to prove he can. no way should he be given the kind of leniency that jake did. jake shouldnt have been given that either. you prove what you are capable of by what you do on the field now. not last year, not in 2003 and 2004 (like with jake).

if he can't get it together in the next few weeks then lets give the next guy a shot.

moore doesn't look like he can handle the pressure. the coaching staff has too much faith in him right now and is putting too much of the game on his shoulders.

just one game and i hope that the level of suck is confined to just one game but until they show it isn't, consider me skeptical. if that means that i am fickle...suck it.

i want the panthers to be the best with the best players on the field possible. i won't want to settle for mediocrity (which would actually be an upgrade from what we saw on sunday).

i won't apologize for that.

Yeah, I am going to rep you when I get back to the house.

Fickle, indeed! You'd think that the whole fan-base, or a large segment thereof, has been flip-flopping. Some of us in the Huddle have been saying the same thing all along. Moore is on borrowed time, and that time is going to be cut even shorter if he doesn't step up to the plate.

[panthers55]

If Matt throws more interceptions based on incredibly bad decision making, like the interceptions he threw in the Giants game, then you can't lay the blame for that on anyone else. I don't care about the protection, playcalling, yada, yada, yada - the QB's job is to protect the ball... if the only receiver you see is a TE in triple coverage than throw it out of the back of the endzone and live to fight another down.

It's fine to discuss what he did last year, but something changes when they make you the starter. We've seen this play out time and time again... see Derek Anderson for a recent example.

If he gets time to throw, the receivers run the right route and the defender doesn't just make a great play, then I would agree. Sometimes what you see on TV accurately reflects what happened other times it doesn't.

Again lets wait until we have enough info to make a judgment.

[top dawg]

To all you goofs who are neg-repping me: bring it on! At least I can make a well-thought out argument other than, 'The fan-base sucks!"

[CatMan72]

If he gets time to throw, the receivers run the right route and the defender doesn't just make a great play, then I would agree. Sometimes what you see on TV accurately reflects what happened other times it doesn't.

Again lets wait until we have enough info to make a judgment.

I haven't gone back and watched the other two interceptions, but the first one he threw was a terrible decision and should have never been thrown under any circumstance.

From what I recall, you have a TE who is covered on all 3 sides and they were clearly baiting Matt to throw that ball. The minute it left his hand the DB behind Gary jumped infront of him and took it away. You throw that ball 10x and 9 out of 10 times it's gonna be picked.

I'm not giving up on Moore, but his poor decision making in the Giants game was a real eye-opener for me. I thought the one thing we could count on from Moore was ball security and smart decision making... that's what allowed him to have so much success last year.