Rumors

[MHS831]

53 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Heard a rumor Walker will be attending in the Panthers war room.  I may have made that up

....And with the seventh pick, the New York Jets select Jalon Walker....

Awkward.

[Basbear]

https://www.profootballrumors.com/

 

some repeats and some new mixed in. 

[MHS831]

Revisiting the Prediction thread from April 3--a full 3 weeks before the draft.  I thought this was interesting because I was just repeating rumors and infusing them with my comments.  We trust names like McShay--look how wrong he was! Green indicates the rumor came true in some form.  Red indicates that the rumor was wrong--

Rumor:  McShay just reported in his podcast that the "winds have shifted" about Shedeur Sanders.  He referenced back in October when Dad basically said, "If we tell you not to draft him, don't draft him" to Shedeur wearing a Browns hat. (Nobody thought this would happen in round 5 or with the Browns).  Recently, Deion has come out to announce that he is OK with wherever his son goes--while the intentions were good, he is still one-too-many voices in the process.  I think it was at the combine when Shedeur responded to a question, "Do you know who my dad is?"  while laughing.  He was asked about the Raiders during an interview, and Shedeur said, "I ain't going sixth..." (if he meant 'round' he was right--but he meant overall)  He was referencing living with criticism, etc. but continually referencing Dad may not be helping--but this shift in his and his father's approach to the draft suggests that they are not quite as confident, now that teams have signed free agents.  McShay suggests that Cam will go #1 to the Titans, but the Browns may not think Sanders (who some have a second round grade on--he has him at #19 overall) is worth the #2 pick, and that might lead to them taking the best player in the draft (Carter, but do not rule out Hunter). 

• Side Rumor:  There are rumblings that the Browns could land Cousins from the Falcons, giving them a starting QB and the #2 overall pick.

The Giants just signed Russell Wilson and J. Winston. Daboll and Shoen may not be ready to put their jobs on the back of a developmental QB--so they take the best player on their board, Hunter (if the Browns take Carter).  New England probably drafts an OT, but they would like to trade back. Some mocks have them taking Jeanty--but I do not see Vrabel going RB with so many needs.  

• Side Rumor:  The Jets may want to move up for Hunter (if he is there) and the Pats may want to move back and take a T.  So if Hunter is on the board at #4, look for a NY-Boston trade.

The Jags do not need a QB, but most mocks have them staying put and taking Mason Graham, DT Michigan. 

• Side Rumor:  The smart money has the Jags taking Mason Graham, but some think they are in love with TMac.  Others have TMac going to the Seahawks later.

The Raiders are supposedly in love with RB Jeanty to go in Pete Carrol's offense. I see that as a likelihood.

The Jets seem to like Fields and bringing in Sanders makes little sense, but it could not be ruled out.  The drama, however, after the Rodgers experiment, is not ideal.  Most NY area experts have the Jets taking Membou OT or Warren TE--always take the top OT over the top TE. 

The Panthers are likely to have Walker on their board and should be fielding offers.  According to McShay, a team still needing a QB would be calling the Panthers to get ahead of the Saints.  McShay mentions that the Giants could be in play to move back up to grab Sanders, but I see Indianapolis as a more likely candidate, with Richardson and Daniel Jones as their QBs at the moment.  For the Colts to move up to 14 it would not require a huge investment in draft capital.  The Colts could send Carolina their first (14) and second (45) to Carolina for their first (8) and a fourth (111) and fifth (140).

Side Rumor:  According to McShay, the folks at FanDuel give the over and under odds for Sanders being drafted at 7.5 to 8.5.  The Panthers pick 8th. 

What does this mean?   First, Jon Snow will have to change his user name and I think Special Juan is required to report his status to us to be on this board.  Secondly, it means the Panthers could sit at #8 and take Walker or move back, where players like Warren, TMac, Mykel Williams, or a top S (Starks/Emmanwori), Golden, etc. would be in play.   In addition, getting pick #45 would land a player like Princely (Edge). (However, Princely was drafted in round 3--Scourton was the selection at pick 51--Princely went pick 77 in the third)

[Basbear]

8 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Revisiting the Prediction thread from April 3--a full 3 weeks before the draft.  I thought this was interesting because I was just repeating rumors and infusing them with my comments.  We trust names like McShay--look how wrong he was! Green indicates the rumor came true in some form.  Red indicates that the rumor was wrong--

Rumor:  McShay just reported in his podcast that the "winds have shifted" about Shedeur Sanders.  He referenced back in October when Dad basically said, "If we tell you not to draft him, don't draft him" to Shedeur wearing a Browns hat. (Nobody thought this would happen in round 5 or with the Browns).  Recently, Deion has come out to announce that he is OK with wherever his son goes--while the intentions were good, he is still one-too-many voices in the process.  I think it was at the combine when Shedeur responded to a question, "Do you know who my dad is?"  while laughing.  He was asked about the Raiders during an interview, and Shedeur said, "I ain't going sixth..." (if he meant 'round' he was right--but he meant overall)  He was referencing living with criticism, etc. but continually referencing Dad may not be helping--but this shift in his and his father's approach to the draft suggests that they are not quite as confident, now that teams have signed free agents.  McShay suggests that Cam will go #1 to the Titans, but the Browns may not think Sanders (who some have a second round grade on--he has him at #19 overall) is worth the #2 pick, and that might lead to them taking the best player in the draft (Carter, but do not rule out Hunter). 

• Side Rumor:  There are rumblings that the Browns could land Cousins from the Falcons, giving them a starting QB and the #2 overall pick.

The Giants just signed Russell Wilson and J. Winston. Daboll and Shoen may not be ready to put their jobs on the back of a developmental QB--so they take the best player on their board, Hunter (if the Browns take Carter).  New England probably drafts an OT, but they would like to trade back. Some mocks have them taking Jeanty--but I do not see Vrabel going RB with so many needs.  

• Side Rumor:  The Jets may want to move up for Hunter (if he is there) and the Pats may want to move back and take a T.  So if Hunter is on the board at #4, look for a NY-Boston trade.

The Jags do not need a QB, but most mocks have them staying put and taking Mason Graham, DT Michigan. 

• Side Rumor:  The smart money has the Jags taking Mason Graham, but some think they are in love with TMac.  Others have TMac going to the Seahawks later.

The Raiders are supposedly in love with RB Jeanty to go in Pete Carrol's offense. I see that as a likelihood.

The Jets seem to like Fields and bringing in Sanders makes little sense, but it could not be ruled out.  The drama, however, after the Rodgers experiment, is not ideal.  Most NY area experts have the Jets taking Membou OT or Warren TE--always take the top OT over the top TE. 

The Panthers are likely to have Walker on their board and should be fielding offers.  According to McShay, a team still needing a QB would be calling the Panthers to get ahead of the Saints.  McShay mentions that the Giants could be in play to move back up to grab Sanders, but I see Indianapolis as a more likely candidate, with Richardson and Daniel Jones as their QBs at the moment.  For the Colts to move up to 14 it would not require a huge investment in draft capital.  The Colts could send Carolina their first (14) and second (45) to Carolina for their first (8) and a fourth (111) and fifth (140).

Side Rumor:  According to McShay, the folks at FanDuel give the over and under odds for Sanders being drafted at 7.5 to 8.5.  The Panthers pick 8th. 

What does this mean?   First, Jon Snow will have to change his user name and I think Special Juan is required to report his status to us to be on this board.  Secondly, it means the Panthers could sit at #8 and take Walker or move back, where players like Warren, TMac, Mykel Williams, or a top S (Starks/Emmanwori), Golden, etc. would be in play.   In addition, getting pick #45 would land a player like Princely (Edge). (However, Princely was drafted in round 3--Scourton was the selection at pick 51--Princely went pick 77 in the third)

It was an awful go for all the rumor mill people, myself included. It seems the more I watched and read, the less was right. 

Plus no one on earth had Sanders in the 5th. No one had him to the browns after they spent a 3rd on QB, not one soul. 

The old saying was miss-information is in full effect until 1-2 weeks from the first draft day, this year it never stopped and barely any truth nuggets happened.

Even the Panthers after 10 years of leaks, fooled 98% of fans, insiders, and podcasters. This Im happy about, great job for Brandt/Dan and the whole staff. 

BTW- Morgan must be one of the highest trade/movers come draft time. He must lead the league in not using the original pick. We will see if that pays off too.  

[MHS831]

59 minutes ago, Basbear said:

It was an awful go for all the rumor mill people, myself included. It seems the more I watched and read, the less was right. 

Plus no one on earth had Sanders in the 5th. No one had him to the browns after they spent a 3rd on QB, not one soul. 

The old saying was miss-information is in full effect until 1-2 weeks from the first draft day, this year it never stopped and barely any truth nuggets happened.

Even the Panthers after 10 years of leaks, fooled 98% of fans, insiders, and podcasters. This Im happy about, great job for Brandt/Dan and the whole staff. 

BTW- Morgan must be one of the highest trade/movers come draft time. He must lead the league in not using the original pick. We will see if that pays off too.  

We overthunk it.  We had a need for big #1 WR. Our coach had Evans in Tampa.  The draft was not a good value in the first with edge players, but I really think we got 2 steals in rounds 2 and 3.  I think the second round talent at edge (since Pearce and Green seemed to have baggage) was pretty level.  Common sense says you grab the Mike Evans-type WR and dip in at edge on day 2. 

We went after DTs pretty hard in free agency, and the draft was deep there--I think they did this because the plan was WR and Edge and maybe RB and (rather obviously) Safety.  The key was making sure TMac was there because there were really no others like him. 
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I dont think Morgan was bad last year; just had some bad rookie GM luck.  XL has upside, but was raw...I would not call him a bust yet--too many variables working against him.  I think he will be a good #2.   I think Coker will be our slot post AT, and I REALLY like the Horn pick. 

This seems to have been their plan if you consider free agency ---re-sign Horn and Jackson--Moehrig, Roseboom, Wharton, Brown III, Jones--If the focus was WR, RB, S, and Edge, Morgan hit a home run.