Rumors

[MHS831]

53 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Heard a rumor Walker will be attending in the Panthers war room.  I may have made that up

....And with the seventh pick, the New York Jets select Jalon Walker....

Awkward.

[Basbear]

https://www.profootballrumors.com/

 

some repeats and some new mixed in. 

[MHS831]

Revisiting the Prediction thread from April 3--a full 3 weeks before the draft.  I thought this was interesting because I was just repeating rumors and infusing them with my comments.  We trust names like McShay--look how wrong he was! Green indicates the rumor came true in some form.  Red indicates that the rumor was wrong--

Rumor:  McShay just reported in his podcast that the "winds have shifted" about Shedeur Sanders.  He referenced back in October when Dad basically said, "If we tell you not to draft him, don't draft him" to Shedeur wearing a Browns hat. (Nobody thought this would happen in round 5 or with the Browns).  Recently, Deion has come out to announce that he is OK with wherever his son goes--while the intentions were good, he is still one-too-many voices in the process.  I think it was at the combine when Shedeur responded to a question, "Do you know who my dad is?"  while laughing.  He was asked about the Raiders during an interview, and Shedeur said, "I ain't going sixth..." (if he meant 'round' he was right--but he meant overall)  He was referencing living with criticism, etc. but continually referencing Dad may not be helping--but this shift in his and his father's approach to the draft suggests that they are not quite as confident, now that teams have signed free agents.  McShay suggests that Cam will go #1 to the Titans, but the Browns may not think Sanders (who some have a second round grade on--he has him at #19 overall) is worth the #2 pick, and that might lead to them taking the best player in the draft (Carter, but do not rule out Hunter). 

• Side Rumor:  There are rumblings that the Browns could land Cousins from the Falcons, giving them a starting QB and the #2 overall pick.

The Giants just signed Russell Wilson and J. Winston. Daboll and Shoen may not be ready to put their jobs on the back of a developmental QB--so they take the best player on their board, Hunter (if the Browns take Carter).  New England probably drafts an OT, but they would like to trade back. Some mocks have them taking Jeanty--but I do not see Vrabel going RB with so many needs.  

• Side Rumor:  The Jets may want to move up for Hunter (if he is there) and the Pats may want to move back and take a T.  So if Hunter is on the board at #4, look for a NY-Boston trade.

The Jags do not need a QB, but most mocks have them staying put and taking Mason Graham, DT Michigan. 

• Side Rumor:  The smart money has the Jags taking Mason Graham, but some think they are in love with TMac.  Others have TMac going to the Seahawks later.

The Raiders are supposedly in love with RB Jeanty to go in Pete Carrol's offense. I see that as a likelihood.

The Jets seem to like Fields and bringing in Sanders makes little sense, but it could not be ruled out.  The drama, however, after the Rodgers experiment, is not ideal.  Most NY area experts have the Jets taking Membou OT or Warren TE--always take the top OT over the top TE. 

The Panthers are likely to have Walker on their board and should be fielding offers.  According to McShay, a team still needing a QB would be calling the Panthers to get ahead of the Saints.  McShay mentions that the Giants could be in play to move back up to grab Sanders, but I see Indianapolis as a more likely candidate, with Richardson and Daniel Jones as their QBs at the moment.  For the Colts to move up to 14 it would not require a huge investment in draft capital.  The Colts could send Carolina their first (14) and second (45) to Carolina for their first (8) and a fourth (111) and fifth (140).

Side Rumor:  According to McShay, the folks at FanDuel give the over and under odds for Sanders being drafted at 7.5 to 8.5.  The Panthers pick 8th. 

What does this mean?   First, Jon Snow will have to change his user name and I think Special Juan is required to report his status to us to be on this board.  Secondly, it means the Panthers could sit at #8 and take Walker or move back, where players like Warren, TMac, Mykel Williams, or a top S (Starks/Emmanwori), Golden, etc. would be in play.   In addition, getting pick #45 would land a player like Princely (Edge). (However, Princely was drafted in round 3--Scourton was the selection at pick 51--Princely went pick 77 in the third)

[Basbear]

8 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Revisiting the Prediction thread from April 3--a full 3 weeks before the draft.  I thought this was interesting because I was just repeating rumors and infusing them with my comments.  We trust names like McShay--look how wrong he was! Green indicates the rumor came true in some form.  Red indicates that the rumor was wrong--

Rumor:  McShay just reported in his podcast that the "winds have shifted" about Shedeur Sanders.  He referenced back in October when Dad basically said, "If we tell you not to draft him, don't draft him" to Shedeur wearing a Browns hat. (Nobody thought this would happen in round 5 or with the Browns).  Recently, Deion has come out to announce that he is OK with wherever his son goes--while the intentions were good, he is still one-too-many voices in the process.  I think it was at the combine when Shedeur responded to a question, "Do you know who my dad is?"  while laughing.  He was asked about the Raiders during an interview, and Shedeur said, "I ain't going sixth..." (if he meant 'round' he was right--but he meant overall)  He was referencing living with criticism, etc. but continually referencing Dad may not be helping--but this shift in his and his father's approach to the draft suggests that they are not quite as confident, now that teams have signed free agents.  McShay suggests that Cam will go #1 to the Titans, but the Browns may not think Sanders (who some have a second round grade on--he has him at #19 overall) is worth the #2 pick, and that might lead to them taking the best player in the draft (Carter, but do not rule out Hunter). 

• Side Rumor:  There are rumblings that the Browns could land Cousins from the Falcons, giving them a starting QB and the #2 overall pick.

The Giants just signed Russell Wilson and J. Winston. Daboll and Shoen may not be ready to put their jobs on the back of a developmental QB--so they take the best player on their board, Hunter (if the Browns take Carter).  New England probably drafts an OT, but they would like to trade back. Some mocks have them taking Jeanty--but I do not see Vrabel going RB with so many needs.  

• Side Rumor:  The Jets may want to move up for Hunter (if he is there) and the Pats may want to move back and take a T.  So if Hunter is on the board at #4, look for a NY-Boston trade.

The Jags do not need a QB, but most mocks have them staying put and taking Mason Graham, DT Michigan. 

• Side Rumor:  The smart money has the Jags taking Mason Graham, but some think they are in love with TMac.  Others have TMac going to the Seahawks later.

The Raiders are supposedly in love with RB Jeanty to go in Pete Carrol's offense. I see that as a likelihood.

The Jets seem to like Fields and bringing in Sanders makes little sense, but it could not be ruled out.  The drama, however, after the Rodgers experiment, is not ideal.  Most NY area experts have the Jets taking Membou OT or Warren TE--always take the top OT over the top TE. 

The Panthers are likely to have Walker on their board and should be fielding offers.  According to McShay, a team still needing a QB would be calling the Panthers to get ahead of the Saints.  McShay mentions that the Giants could be in play to move back up to grab Sanders, but I see Indianapolis as a more likely candidate, with Richardson and Daniel Jones as their QBs at the moment.  For the Colts to move up to 14 it would not require a huge investment in draft capital.  The Colts could send Carolina their first (14) and second (45) to Carolina for their first (8) and a fourth (111) and fifth (140).

Side Rumor:  According to McShay, the folks at FanDuel give the over and under odds for Sanders being drafted at 7.5 to 8.5.  The Panthers pick 8th. 

What does this mean?   First, Jon Snow will have to change his user name and I think Special Juan is required to report his status to us to be on this board.  Secondly, it means the Panthers could sit at #8 and take Walker or move back, where players like Warren, TMac, Mykel Williams, or a top S (Starks/Emmanwori), Golden, etc. would be in play.   In addition, getting pick #45 would land a player like Princely (Edge). (However, Princely was drafted in round 3--Scourton was the selection at pick 51--Princely went pick 77 in the third)

It was an awful go for all the rumor mill people, myself included. It seems the more I watched and read, the less was right. 

Plus no one on earth had Sanders in the 5th. No one had him to the browns after they spent a 3rd on QB, not one soul. 

The old saying was miss-information is in full effect until 1-2 weeks from the first draft day, this year it never stopped and barely any truth nuggets happened.

Even the Panthers after 10 years of leaks, fooled 98% of fans, insiders, and podcasters. This Im happy about, great job for Brandt/Dan and the whole staff. 

BTW- Morgan must be one of the highest trade/movers come draft time. He must lead the league in not using the original pick. We will see if that pays off too.  

[MHS831]

59 minutes ago, Basbear said:

It was an awful go for all the rumor mill people, myself included. It seems the more I watched and read, the less was right. 

Plus no one on earth had Sanders in the 5th. No one had him to the browns after they spent a 3rd on QB, not one soul. 

The old saying was miss-information is in full effect until 1-2 weeks from the first draft day, this year it never stopped and barely any truth nuggets happened.

Even the Panthers after 10 years of leaks, fooled 98% of fans, insiders, and podcasters. This Im happy about, great job for Brandt/Dan and the whole staff. 

BTW- Morgan must be one of the highest trade/movers come draft time. He must lead the league in not using the original pick. We will see if that pays off too.  

We overthunk it.  We had a need for big #1 WR. Our coach had Evans in Tampa.  The draft was not a good value in the first with edge players, but I really think we got 2 steals in rounds 2 and 3.  I think the second round talent at edge (since Pearce and Green seemed to have baggage) was pretty level.  Common sense says you grab the Mike Evans-type WR and dip in at edge on day 2. 

We went after DTs pretty hard in free agency, and the draft was deep there--I think they did this because the plan was WR and Edge and maybe RB and (rather obviously) Safety.  The key was making sure TMac was there because there were really no others like him. 
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I dont think Morgan was bad last year; just had some bad rookie GM luck.  XL has upside, but was raw...I would not call him a bust yet--too many variables working against him.  I think he will be a good #2.   I think Coker will be our slot post AT, and I REALLY like the Horn pick. 

This seems to have been their plan if you consider free agency ---re-sign Horn and Jackson--Moehrig, Roseboom, Wharton, Brown III, Jones--If the focus was WR, RB, S, and Edge, Morgan hit a home run.

[Basbear]

 

 

I had the Tmac is the best/smartest course of action many months ago, I just bought into the rumored Walker talk(not cause I was a fan). I knew there was no fear on the offense side, unless someone wants to explain 35 year old AT as a threat.... No one to dictate coverage or get respect. Hubbard is good, but not to the point of worrying about if he's in the game or not. They needed a legit pass catcher and it had to come from the draft either 1st pick or 2nd. I tried to explain in many threads and posting, not many bought my sales pitch. Dan and company had the same thoughts tho...... I always was a huge Tmac fan, but turka21 just blew away anyone on the topic of Tmac. I let him do all my talking after it was clear he could handle any and all angles with Tmac. He killed it and if not, Id had 100 more posts about why Tamc was the 999999 IQ pick.

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Dan Morgan, my gods did he have one hellacious Duty to fix the Panthers. Not only were they the least talented, but he didn't have 1st(which was the #1 overall pick) or a early 2nd to aid in this rebuild. Not to mention the cap was not in great shape when you consider the level of talent attached to the contracts. Honestly its NOT even close to being over, he deserves another full season after this year to even get this team above water.

I know this feels like my mind could be cloudy with hopuim panther gas, but it does feel and look like the team has improved. You listed off the free agents and with knowing all will not workout, there's still hope that Dan has solved the DL, just like he did with the OL. I mean I watched years and years of hernaiy and gettlegut try to fix OLs and DLs and besides some fuke deals they never did. I mean gettegut used his first two draft picks on DTs in star and KK, and that fixed the DL for the next four years. 

Still not to say Im marveled over the moon, but I do feel he's accomplishing one hell of a rebuild in the ultra crazy modern NFL era. *In a short time-line* *without all the draft picks and cap space*. He also had to clean up the Brian Burns and BY situations. You know if BY didn't have those last 9 games, Dan would be finding a new QB on top of rebuilding this swamp mansion in hurricane alley. Then he got the giants to bite on a 8 sack 30 million per guy for 2nd and two 5ths(one future). 

You can pick apart the players he picks, but nearly ALL trades the Panthers have won the value. I have been very impressed with that part.....(just wish they had better scouts.....ugh)

I am looking forward to this vision, I hope the fans can remain realistic patient. (lololooll)