Fun question about Trgovac

[rayzor]

Since when is being in the top ten mediocre or anywhere close to being bottom of the barrel?

Of course, there is room for the Panthers defense to improve, but let's not get carried away here. Maybe it's time for Trgovac to go, but that doesn't mean he can't, or never could coach. Our defense is not more talented than everybody else, and the players admitted to making quite a few mental mistakes this year.

if you are happy with not being in the top 5 and having a defense that crumbles the way that it did, then fine.

it had been getting continually worse. i didn't say he was a bad coach. i don't know and at this point i don't care. the defense under him cost us games and almost cost us more. it was his responsibility and he couldn't get it done. maybe the problem has been fox. we will find out soon enough.

btw....i would really have a hard time saying that overall it was a pretty good year on defense. if you look at the averages for the year it looks much better than it was at the end which is the only part that matters.

we should be in the top 5 defenses every year. that is not an unrealistic expectation, especially for a john fox team (considering his credentials and background).

[Sloth]

Since when is being in the top ten mediocre or anywhere close to being bottom of the barrel?

Of course, there is room for the Panthers defense to improve, but let's not get carried away here. Maybe it's time for Trgovac to go, but that doesn't mean he can't, or never could coach. Our defense is not more talented than everybody else, and the players admitted to making quite a few mental mistakes this year.

Pretty sure he was responding to:

"It can definitely be worse...just ask the Lions and Chiefs fans. "

when he said you shouldn't use teams/situations like that to try and validate your point. Of course it could be worse. But I seriously doubt we slip into Lions/Chiefs territory by revamping our defensive staff. You also shouldn't stop trying to improve just because "hey, at least we're not the Lions".

[Fox007]

Pretty sure he was responding to:

"It can definitely be worse...just ask the Lions and Chiefs fans. "

when he said you shouldn't use teams/situations like that to try and validate your point. Of course it could be worse. But I seriously doubt we slip into Lions/Chiefs territory by revamping our defensive staff. You also shouldn't stop trying to improve just because "hey, at least we're not the Lions".

:willy_nilly:

Holy poo there are people on here that get it.

I don't feel so alone any more.

[monstercat]

You have to have the players to have a top 5 defense. I don't remember any of you posting about how we had a top 5 D-line before this season started. Hell, half the people on this board were ready to get rid of Peppers back in June of last year because they thought he was garbage.

[rayzor]

we need the players and the leadership to make that happen. i am convinced that we will be much closer to having both as we move into the season.

if fox wants a job here next year he has to make that happen.

[Kevin Greene]

Depends on where Trgo lands and the players he has to work with...

Depends on who we hire as DC...

Depends on how our defensive roster looks next season...

My gut instinct that Trgo will field defenses that might look better statistically but the fans having to deal with Trgo will complain about the same things we've complained around here.

Agreed.

But TRGO will have to get a DC job somewhere first. Either way, I think we'll be better, as I would take Davidson over Henning any day.

[frash.exe]

You have to have the players to have a top 5 defense. I don't remember any of you posting about how we had a top 5 D-line before this season started. Hell, half the people on this board were ready to get rid of Peppers back in June of last year because they thought he was garbage.

Kemo-Top DT FA '06

Lewis-Top DT FA '06

Peppers-Top 5 draft pick '02

Tyler Brayton-First round draft pick '03

Charles Johnson-3rd round draft pick '07

Thomas Davis-1st round draft pick '05

Jon Beason-1st round draft pick '07

Diggs-above average LB FA '06

Chris Gamble-First round draft pick '04

Ken Lucas-Top CB FA '05

Chris Harris-Safety product imported from top ten Chicago defense

Charles Godfrey-early 3rd round safety.

yea, there's absolutely no talent in there, nothing that'll help make a top 5 defense.

[photoguync]

:willy_nilly:

Holy sh*t there are people on here that get it.

I don't feel so alone any more.

Well, I get it. If the center fielder would just catch the damn ball, the pitcher doesn't have to work as hard, right? ...no wait:svengo:

[monstercat]

Well, I'm not convinced of anything except that we need to replace some coaches and players. Whether it ends up being better or not remains to be seen. Obviously, I hope it's better, but hope don't win football games...players do.

[rayzor]

Kemo-Top DT FA '06

Lewis-Top DT FA '06

Peppers-Top 5 draft pick '02

Tyler Brayton-First round draft pick '03

Charles Johnson-3rd round draft pick '07

Thomas Davis-1st round draft pick '05

Jon Beason-1st round draft pick '07

Diggs-above average LB FA '06

Chris Gamble-First round draft pick '04

Ken Lucas-Top CB FA '05

Chris Harris-Safety product imported from top ten Chicago defense

Charles Godfrey-early 3rd round safety.

yea, there's absolutely no talent in there, nothing that'll help make a top 5 defense.

excellent point. we do have most of the ingredients we need. talent hasn't been the problem. getting the most out of the talent has been the problem. that is a management problem.

[mantal]

Since when is being in the top ten mediocre or anywhere close to being bottom of the barrel?

Of course, there is room for the Panthers defense to improve, but let's not get carried away here. Maybe it's time for Trgovac to go, but that doesn't mean he can't, or never could coach. Our defense is not more talented than everybody else, and the players admitted to making quite a few mental mistakes this year.

if you are happy with not being in the top 5 and having a defense that crumbles the way that it did, then fine.

it had been getting continually worse. i didn't say he was a bad coach. i don't know and at this point i don't care. the defense under him cost us games and almost cost us more. it was his responsibility and he couldn't get it done. maybe the problem has been fox. we will find out soon enough.

btw....i would really have a hard time saying that overall it was a pretty good year on defense. if you look at the averages for the year it looks much better than it was at the end which is the only part that matters.

we should be in the top 5 defenses every year. that is not an unrealistic expectation, especially for a john fox team (considering his credentials and background).

I think top 5 every year is an unrealistic expectation, but I'd strive for it just the same. There are 32 teams in the NFL and we're not going to be top 5 in anything every year, we just have to get used to that. Not saying we need to be happy/satisfied with that, but it's just not going to happen every year...

[Munkey]

Depends on which defense he gets placed into his lap. If it's an already good defense, then yeah. If it's average or bad defense, then no.

[monstercat]

BTW, there's a couple of players on that list that came to Carolina as FA's and actually improved. Hell, everybody was saying that Taylor Brayton was garbage, but he played well here.

[Fox007]

BTW, there's a couple of players on that list that came to Carolina as FA's and actually improved. Hell, everybody was saying that Taylor Brayton was garbage, but he played well here.

I still think Tyler Brayton is garbage, Taylor Brayton may be good though.