If we pick 1st, Luck doesn't declare, who do you want?

[stirs]

DE, DT and LB will all be subject to the type D we run. 34 vs 43

QB, CB, WR not so much.

The real draft talk will begin once we get our new coach.

in a 34, Brayton, Hayden might be great as DE's. Never know.

[rayzor]

Are you sure? Because Brayton and Brown can't rush the passer, Hardy is good but had injury problems in college, leaving Johnson as our most reliable guy-and he may be best as a number two end. What's wrong with stockpiling pass rushers when we can and should adress DT in free agency? A DE is more worthy of a top two pick and is more valuable and impactful than both a corner or receiver, though I wouldn't have a problem with those picks. Bowers leads everything in sacks and TFL so its not like he doesn't produce.

hardy, johnson, and even brown have a lot of talent that would be seen more if we had a stouter interior Dline. if we improve DT, we will have automatically upgraded DE. i would rather us use that first overall on QB (luck or trade down for newton), CB (peterson...probably could get away with trading down a couple posts and still get him), aj green (as much confidence as i now have in gettis and lafell, how could we pass up on someone with that talent?). of the needs we have, the ones that i think are best addressed in the first round is just those three.: QB, CB, and WR, probably in that order.

[kdrh5]

The scenario presented in this topic is if Luck does not declare. Cam newton is a risk to say the least. Pass rush makes average CBs look good. And there are a ton of good FA WRs available this year, we could sign one of them too. What do people have against having a superior defensive line?

[rayzor]

The scenario presented in this topic is if Luck does not declare. Cam newton is a risk to say the least. Pass rush makes average CBs look good. And there are a ton of good FA WRs available this year, we could sign one of them too. What do people have against having a superior defensive line?

i have nothing against it, i do think that i would rather address the DT need in FA, though. there are a couple DTs in the draft that would be ok, but i'd want to trade before we got them. i just don't see any of these guys being on par with what was taken last year.

[Carl Spackler]

I'd rather get DTs in FA than the draft, it's one place where proven guys tend to have more of an impact. Excluding Ed Johnson.

[Sloth]

The scenario presented in this topic is if Luck does not declare. Cam newton is a risk to say the least. Pass rush makes average CBs look good. And there are a ton of good FA WRs available this year, we could sign one of them too. What do people have against having a superior defensive line?

I don't think anyone is against having a superior dline. I think most people think the weaker area is our tackle spot, not at de where we seem to have some talent. Johnson, Brayton, Hardy and even Brown get decent to good pressure from the side, but all the QB needs to do is step up because our tackles are mostly trash.

Hard part there is there isn't any elite looking talent at either line spot. Fairley looks good, but not really top pick good. Bowers looks very good as well if we do go DE, but again, not elite.

Anyways, the only players who look worthy of a #1 overall are Green, Peterson and Luck. How often do CBs go #1 overall? Also, depending on our D scheme next year, if we're playing a zone/cover-2/tampa-2, we don't really NEED an all-world CB. Green is a monster, but we just drafted three WR last year, two of which are showing up pretty big for rookies. Neither looks like a #1 though. In this scenario, Luck hasn't declared, so he's out.

Also, IF Luck isn't there, one of Mallett, Locker or Newton will rise up near the top of the draft board, pending the combine. They'll be in the conversation at some point as well.

Trading down if Luck isn't there won't happen either, unless we allow ourselves to be fleeced. Nobody is going to give up a huge package of picks plus assume the #1 contract for Green, Peterson, Fairley, or any of Mallett/Locker/Newton.

I'd bite the bullet and just pick Green in that case.

[rayzor]

Also, IF Luck isn't there, one of Mallett, Locker or Newton will rise up near the top of the draft board, pending the combine. They'll be in the conversation at some point as well.

Trading down if Luck isn't there won't happen either, unless we allow ourselves to be fleeced. Nobody is going to give up a huge package of picks plus assume the #1 contract for Green, Peterson, Dareus, or any of Mallett/Locker/Newton.

I'd bite the bullet and just pick Green in that case.

yeah, there is no QB outside of luck that i would really want. i'd just rather go with clausen and see what he can do with the new offense. i'd either go green or trade down and pick up peterson or fairley/dareus. if luck isn't there, though, i don't see many people wanting to trade up to the first overall. there just isn't really anyone outside of luck willing to trade into that first overall pick this year and even then, it wouldn't happen unless the rookie cap is in place.

some team desperate for a QB might be willing to reach and trade up to get mallett, locker, or cam newton (if he wins the heisman), but i doubt that would happen.

[Carl Spackler]

Please trade down and get Fairley.

[rayzor]

Please trade down and get Fairley.

if there is no luck in the draft, i wouldn't be opposed to that idea.

[Sloth]

Please trade down and get Fairley.

Christ, I meant Fairley in my above post, not Dareus. Edited.