Rookie Report Vs Browns

[TheRealDeal]

When I said he was accurate with the short stuff I meant <0 yards. Just give up the name and let us do our own stat finding.

If it's the site I'm thinking of there is more subjectivity than you might think. Anyway, keep the stats coming because without them I'm lost.

Cheers.

[Urrymonster]

When I said he was accurate with the short stuff I meant <0 yards. Just give up the name and let us do our own stat finding.

If it's the site I'm thinking of there is more subjectivity than you might think. Anyway, keep the stats coming because without them I'm lost.

Cheers.

Was that more fun than name calling? You start off with an attitude thinking I have some agenda to force Clausen love on you and then finish with a 'cheers'. :eek: There is hope for the huddle yet!

[CRA]

A fair point, Tampa do indeed suck at pressuring the QB (basically the same as us if we didn't have Johnson). However he has shown to be significantly better when not facing pressure.

He achieved this:

Tampa - 15/24 (62.5%), 179 yards (7.5 ypa / 11.9 ypc), 85.2 QB rating

Cleveland - 14/17 (82.4%), 167 yards (9.8 ypa / 11.9 ypc), 107.6 QB rating

He definitely is passing more short passes than we are used to in Carolina that is for sure. Personally I am not as critical as you for favouring the safer pass, however I am aware a gun shy QB is a pointless QB.

I intend to monitor the rest of the season in this fashion and we can see if he starts to change in any way.

but he hasn't been significantly better when not facing pressure. Regardless of the stats picked out.....even when the ideal scenarios occur for Jimmy he isn't doing enough.

I don't mind the short/safer pass. Our offense doesn't setup for that play though. I mean if we were running the scheme NE was doing then yeah.....it would make more sense.

[Urrymonster]

but he hasn't been significantly better when not facing pressure. Regardless of the stats picked out.....even when the ideal scenarios occur for Jimmy he isn't doing enough.

I don't mind the short/safer pass. Our offense doesn't setup for that play though. I mean if we were running the scheme NE was doing then yeah.....it would make more sense.

You haven't seen how bad he is against pressure

So whilst those stat lines don;t look like that much, they are considering how he's done so far against pressure...

12/43 (27.9%), 123 yards (2.9 ypa / 10.25 ypc), 1 Int, 16 Sck, 29.9 QB rating

[TheRealDeal]

Was that more fun than name calling? You start off with an attitude thinking I have some agenda to force Clausen love on you and then finish with a 'cheers'. :eek: There is hope for the huddle yet!

To be fair it wasn't the stats that made me think you have a Clausen love.

[ElkinPanthersFan]

will VT come out of the tunnel near sec 107 saturday night ? sorry to put this here just cant post a new thread and i want to know soon if anyone knows can you tell me please ? and please dont bitch me out for posting this here its not worth it

Seriously, all you had to do was click on the college football forum and about 8 posts down is the post about the ACC title game? DERP DERP DERP

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/college-football/51264-qbs-taylor-ponder-end-rivalry-in-acc-title-game.html

[panther4life]

Tampa has one of the worst DL in the NFL. They can't get pressure. The OL protected, opened big holes for the RB, very good ground game.......

the result?? Clausen did nothing. Just like every other game. That isn't him being a rookie or Fox or the WRs.....Jimmy just doesn't do anything.

You may be on to something about tampas d-line. I just looked up Bradford and his rb's stats against them

Bradford

-13/26 for 124 yards 4.8 yard per attempt

-Average yardage of completed passes 9.5

-Longest pass play was 18 yards to Darby (running back)

He 2 touchdown passes were inside the 5. He also had other oppurtunites to throw while well inside the red zone, thanks to Stephen Jackson getting him there.

St. Louis runing yards

157 (- bradford and karneys 2 yard runs) 5.4ypc off of 29 runs

Clausen put up these stats against the same tampa team.

-16/29 for 191 yards 6.6 yards per attempt

-Average yardage of Completed passes just a fraction under 12 yards

-Clausens longest pass play was 25 yards to David Clowney(scrub w.r.)

Carolinas run game

107(-clausens 11 yards rushing) 4.5 ypc off of 27 runs

in case anybody's curious I got the stats off espn.com

So the only argument you could make about Bradford against Clausen in this game or any other is that he throws more touchdowns which can debunked by reasons outside of Clausens control.

A.Jeff Davidson

B.Multiple different starters at W.R. in his 5 starts

C.Offensive line injuries

D.Jeff Davidson

E.and if that not enough for you Bradord had 6 td's in his first 5 starts, vs Clausens 1. He also had 8 picks in his first 5 starts as well. And hes doing more high percentage short throws than Clausen is. Clausen has 4 picks in his first 5 starts.

So yes Clausen needs to throw for more td's he also needs to be given more freedom and better field position to do so.

Clausen has only had 11 pass attempts inside our own redzone.

I cant say for sure that Clausen is going to start throwing more touchdowns

I also cant say for sure what kind of qb he will ultimately end up being

There is 1 thing I can say for sure tho and that is that its too early to declare that Clausen sucks and is as awful as some of you guys suggest.

[CRA]

You may be on to something about tampas d-line. I just looked up Bradford and his rb's stats against them

Bradford

-13/26 for 124 yards 4.8 yard per attempt

-Average yardage of completed passes 9.5

-Longest pass play was 18 yards to Darby (running back)

He 2 touchdown passes were inside the 5. He also had other oppurtunites to throw while well inside the red zone, thanks to Stephen Jackson getting him there.

St. Louis runing yards

157 (- bradford and karneys 2 yard runs) 5.4ypc off of 29 runs

Clausen put up these stats against the same tampa team.

-16/29 for 191 yards 6.6 yards per attempt

-Average yardage of Completed passes just a fraction under 12 yards

-Clausens longest pass play was 25 yards to David Clowney(scrub w.r.)

Carolinas run game

107(-clausens 11 yards rushing) 4.5 ypc off of 27 runs

in case anybody's curious I got the stats off espn.com

So the only argument you could make about Bradford against Clausen in this game or any other is that he throws more touchdowns which can debunked by reasons outside of Clausens control.

A.Jeff Davidson

B.Multiple different starters at W.R. in his 5 starts

C.Offensive line injuries

D.Jeff Davidson

E.and if that not enough for you Bradord had 6 td's in his first 5 starts, vs Clausens 1. He also had 8 picks in his first 5 starts as well. And hes doing more high percentage short throws than Clausen is. Clausen has 4 picks in his first 5 starts.

So yes Clausen needs to throw for more td's he also needs to be given more freedom and better field position to do so.

Clausen has only had 11 pass attempts inside our own redzone.

I cant say for sure that Clausen is going to start throwing more touchdowns

I also cant say for sure what kind of qb he will ultimately end up being

There is 1 thing I can say for sure tho and that is that its too early to declare that Clausen sucks and is as awful as some of you guys suggest.

can't just look at stat lines to tell the story of a football game. Who did what and who didn't.

Clausen isn't getting the job done. No matter the scenario, he isn't showing anything. There is a reason Clausen has so few pass attempts in the redzone......he is the checkdown King in a playaction offense. That doesn't mesh. The offense does nothing all game with him on the field. Clausen's stats always get a nice boost late in the 4th Q when teams are defending leads and going prevent. Midway in the 4th he normally is just barely over 100 yards of checkdown football.

[ElkinPanthersFan]

You may be on to something about tampas d-line. I just looked up Bradford and his rb's stats against them

Bradford

-13/26 for 124 yards 4.8 yard per attempt

-Average yardage of completed passes 9.5

-Longest pass play was 18 yards to Darby (running back)

He 2 touchdown passes were inside the 5. He also had other oppurtunites to throw while well inside the red zone, thanks to Stephen Jackson getting him there.

St. Louis runing yards

157 (- bradford and karneys 2 yard runs) 5.4ypc off of 29 runs

Clausen put up these stats against the same tampa team.

-16/29 for 191 yards 6.6 yards per attempt

-Average yardage of Completed passes just a fraction under 12 yards

-Clausens longest pass play was 25 yards to David Clowney(scrub w.r.)

Carolinas run game

107(-clausens 11 yards rushing) 4.5 ypc off of 27 runs

in case anybody's curious I got the stats off espn.com

So the only argument you could make about Bradford against Clausen in this game or any other is that he throws more touchdowns which can debunked by reasons outside of Clausens control.

A.Jeff Davidson

B.Multiple different starters at W.R. in his 5 starts

C.Offensive line injuries

D.Jeff Davidson

E.and if that not enough for you Bradord had 6 td's in his first 5 starts, vs Clausens 1. He also had 8 picks in his first 5 starts as well. And hes doing more high percentage short throws than Clausen is. Clausen has 4 picks in his first 5 starts.

So yes Clausen needs to throw for more td's he also needs to be given more freedom and better field position to do so.

Clausen has only had 11 pass attempts inside our own redzone.

I cant say for sure that Clausen is going to start throwing more touchdowns

I also cant say for sure what kind of qb he will ultimately end up being

There is 1 thing I can say for sure tho and that is that its too early to declare that Clausen sucks and is as awful as some of you guys suggest.

So you feel like we got value out of Clausen's draft position? Moore won us the lone game against 49ers, not Clausen. While Bradford through for 8ints and 6 tds, he has the team 1st in his division. Albeit a weak division but first nonetheless. Clausen is 0-5 in game starts and Bradford is 5-6. He also has 11td passes to 1 int since week 5. Not to mention 10% higher completion and almost a yard per pass attempt higher than clausen.

Ultimately, the game is measured by wins and losses. Clausen doesnt have one. He has given up 14 sacks in the 5 starts he has had as well vs 22 for Bradford in 11 games. They aren't all on him, but he does stand back there and pat the ball like a baby before he throws it. We won't even get into the number of batted passes he has had at the line of scrimmage. You brought up his throw to Lafell on the last drive. What about his throw to Cleveland with 3 minutes left? A QB can not do that.

He gets this scrutiny cause he was suppose to be a top 15 pick. 31 other teams passed him atleast 1 time. Do I want the kid to succeed? Yes, because he is a Panther. What we have seen is a supposed Sports car with the performance of a Ugo.

[ElkinPanthersFan]

can't just look at stat lines to tell the story of a football game. Who did what and who didn't.

Clausen isn't getting the job done. No matter the scenario, he isn't showing anything. There is a reason Clausen has so few pass attempts in the redzone......he is the checkdown King in a playaction offense. That doesn't mesh. The offense does nothing all game with him on the field. Clausen's stats always get a nice boost late in the 4th Q when teams are defending leads and going prevent. Midway in the 4th he normally is just barely over 100 yards of checkdown football.

At times, you are so reasonable! Have some pie!

[ElkinPanthersFan]

can't just look at stat lines to tell the story of a football game. Who did what and who didn't.

Clausen isn't getting the job done. No matter the scenario, he isn't showing anything. There is a reason Clausen has so few pass attempts in the redzone......he is the checkdown King in a playaction offense. That doesn't mesh. The offense does nothing all game with him on the field. Clausen's stats always get a nice boost late in the 4th Q when teams are defending leads and going prevent. Midway in the 4th he normally is just barely over 100 yards of checkdown football.

At times, you are so reasonable! Have some pie!

[CRA]

If you want to crunch numbers.....crunch Jimmys in each game prior to the 4th q. Tell me what he is doing on the field that justifies blind faith at this point.

I'm pulling for the kid. Right now he sucks though.

[panther4life]

can't just look at stat lines to tell the story of a football game. Who did what and who didn't.

Clausen isn't getting the job done. Not matter the scenario, he isn't showing anything. There is a reason Clausen has so few pass attempts in the redzone......he is the checkdown King in a playaction offense. That doesn't mesh.

I agree 100% there. Hes not single handidly winning us ball games.

Where we disagree is that I'm willing to consider all of the circumstances and facts to try to determine why and if it all falls on him. I dont think the blame should all fall on him for our struggles and the offense not getting the job done.

Our offense is a playaction offense that requires power runs up the gut and occasion cutbacks(to sucesfully sell the playaction) and w.r's beating the opposing corners deep. We can not get any push in the run game right now which is making the playaction useless.

I applaud Clausen for checking it down and throwing the ball away when he's getting pressure and nobodys open deep. You flame him for it prefering he go into Brett Favre mode and risk picks. Unfortunately our team is not built to be able to come back from big deficits, so the not risking the picks works for me.

The John Fox M.O is to run the ball down your throat and force you to stack the box and open up the playaction. Right now that isnt working and is not Clausens fault that we cant run the ball.

How many rushing td's do we have this year? If Clausen was a drive killer by throwing mulitple costly picks you could blame him for that too, but he's not.

[ElkinPanthersFan]

I agree 100% there. Hes not single handidly winning us ball games.

Where we disagree is that I'm willing to consider all of the circumstances and facts to try to determine why and if it all falls on him. I dont think the blame should all fall on him for our struggles and the offense not getting the job done.

Our offense is a playaction offense that requires power runs up the gut and occasion cutbacks(to sucesfully sell the playaction) and w.r's beating the opposing corners deep. We can not get any push in the run game right now which is making the playaction useless.

I applaud Clausen for checking it down and throwing the ball away when he's getting pressure and nobodys open deep. You flame him for it prefering he go into Brett Favre mode and risk picks. Unfortunately our team is not built to be able to come back from big deficits, so the not risking the picks works for me.

The John Fox M.O is to run the ball down your throat and force you to stack the box and open up the playaction. Right now that isnt working and is not Clausens fault that we cant run the ball.

How many rushing td's do we have this year? If Clausen was a drive killer by throwing mulitple costly picks you could blame him for that too, but he's not.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24023/situational;_ylt=AiuiyEKeJ7.1QSEzaCOgI0P.uLYF

As CRA said, most of the yards come in the 4th quarter when we are behind. 361 of them.