CBA 2011 Thread

[davos]

Well, people always talk about rookie QBs sitting out their first year being smart...it could happen with us

[Skew]

No new progress toward getting a deal done. Here are the main facts:

*Deadline is March 3

*No deal = lockout by owners

*Players can decertify from union to prevent a lockout

*Season ticket invoices for PSL owners due in April (usually around the same time as taxes due)

And the questions no one has asked that actually affects the paying customers is: Will the PSL owners be forced to pay for the 2011 season tickets...

1) if there is a lockout?

2) if the union decertifies?

3) if there is a lockout and the owners try to replace the players with scrubs (if they can)

My guess is yes, with a claim the organization will refund those monies only when it is absolutely certain that games will not be played. And these refunds will not be issued until Sept.

So the fans will be screwed more than they ever realized. All because of billionaires fighting with millions over how much money each side gets.

But J Richardson did say how important the fans are to him, and I'm one of the idiots fools who believe him.

[Jangler]

It's darkest before the dawn.

that's all I got

[Cyclonus]

It would stink to get the # pick in a lockout year

Especially when Andrew Luck decides he'd rather stay in school instead of sitting on his butt.

[Darth Urious]

Have fun working at McDonald's, Chris Gamble...

[Kakarot]

Why would Gamble work at McDonalds?

[Anybodyhome]

No new progress toward getting a deal done. Here are the main facts:

*Deadline is March 3

*No deal = lockout by owners

*Players can decertify from union to prevent a lockout

*Season ticket invoices for PSL owners due in April (usually around the same time as taxes due)

And the questions no one has asked that actually affects the paying customers is: Will the PSL owners be forced to pay for the 2011 season tickets...

1) if there is a lockout?

2) if the union decertifies?

3) if there is a lockout and the owners try to replace the players with scrubs (if they can)

My guess is yes, with a claim the organization will refund those monies only when it is absolutely certain that games will not be played. And these refunds will not be issued until Sept.

So the fans will be screwed more than they ever realized. All because of billionaires fighting with millions over how much money each side gets.

But J Richardson did say how important the fans are to him, and I'm one of the idiots fools who believe him.

Actually, most of those questions have been asked and answered.

First, the players can vote to decertify the NFLPA. That alone does not prevent a lockout. It merely allows players to file individual lawsuits against the owners under anti-trust laws should the owners still lockout. This from September:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/NFL-Players-Union-decertification-vote-091110

Second, the PSL and ticket issue was recently addressed by the league. "The National Football League said it will issue ticket refunds or future credit for any preseason or regular-season games canceled because of a work stoppage in 2011. The NFL announced its policy, which applies to all general- admission seats, in an e-mailed statement. Individual teams will determine their own policies for club seats, suites and payments for personal seat licenses." This from November 30:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-30/nfl-will-issue-ticket-refunds-in-2011-if-industry-lockout-cancels-games.html

[DR_DIGH]

There's way too much money involved. One or both sides will give in before a lockout happens.

[Highlandfire]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/National-Football-League-players-union-advises-players-to-save-120410

In a letter to the players that was seen by The Associated Press, NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith said the union had an "internal deadline" for agreeing to a new collective bargaining agreement.

"That deadline has now passed," he wrote. "It is important that you protect yourself and your family."

The letter was dated Wednesday, and copies were strewn across a table in the New England Patriots locker room during the media availability on Saturday. After a reporter asked players about the letter, a Patriots spokesman flipped the copies face-down.

The one-page letter on NFLPA stationery said the union expects the lockout to come on March 4, and that players should work with their advisers to prepare for an impending lack of income.

We're going to start seeing more of this as the season draws closer to its end. DeMaurice Smith is using scare tactics on his constituency and is doing everything within his capabilities to make this ugly. Why not just lock yourselves into hotel meeting rooms until the deal is done?

the Players are at fault. Demorice smith is nothing but a friggin moron and a tool. He is a pos that has let the power go to his head. He is determined to stick it to the man and try and force what he wants instead of actually negotiating.

So if this means they aren't willing to come back to the table I would have commissioner Goddell issue a public notice to the players, fire this clown, get someone else in there and get back to the damn table to hammer this out. If not, then you are locked out and we will go with replacement players as long as we have to.

Bottom line, Billionares can and will always outlast millionares in a labor dispute. The players better take control of their own house asap.

[Sandy Claws]

Actually, most of those questions have been asked and answered.

First, the players can vote to decertify the NFLPA. That alone does not prevent a lockout. It merely allows players to file individual lawsuits against the owners under anti-trust laws should the owners still lockout. This from September:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/NFL-Players-Union-decertification-vote-091110

Second, the PSL and ticket issue was recently addressed by the league. "The National Football League said it will issue ticket refunds or future credit for any preseason or regular-season games canceled because of a work stoppage in 2011. The NFL announced its policy, which applies to all general- admission seats, in an e-mailed statement. Individual teams will determine their own policies for club seats, suites and payments for personal seat licenses." This from November 30:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-30/nfl-will-issue-ticket-refunds-in-2011-if-industry-lockout-cancels-games.html

The vote to allow the union to decertify is complete. The players have agreed to allow that to happen.

[Anybodyhome]

The vote to allow the union to decertify is complete. The players have agreed to allow that to happen.

The vote was not to decertify the union, otherwise we would no longer be hearing about the union nor from DeMaurice Smith. The vote was for the union to determine whether or not the players would vote to decertify. I know it sounds hokey, but the vote was actually a vote whether or not to vote on decertification. Does that make more sense?

The union is still in place and has not been decertified.

[Sandy Claws]

The vote was not to decertify the union, otherwise we would no longer be hearing about the union nor from DeMaurice Smith. The vote was for the union to determine whether or not the players would vote to decertify. I know it sounds hokey, but the vote was actually a vote whether or not to vote on decertification. Does that make more sense?

The union is still in place and has not been decertified.

The union is currently in place, true , but there will not be another vote. The vote was to allow Mr. Smith and his cronies of the NFLPA to make the call as to if/when to decertify. Players to allow the union to do that.

[DR_DIGH]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/National-Football-League-players-union-advises-players-to-save-120410

In a letter to the players that was seen by The Associated Press, NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith said the union had an "internal deadline" for agreeing to a new collective bargaining agreement.

"That deadline has now passed," he wrote. "It is important that you protect yourself and your family."

The letter was dated Wednesday, and copies were strewn across a table in the New England Patriots locker room during the media availability on Saturday. After a reporter asked players about the letter, a Patriots spokesman flipped the copies face-down.

The one-page letter on NFLPA stationery said the union expects the lockout to come on March 4, and that players should work with their advisers to prepare for an impending lack of income.

We're going to start seeing more of this as the season draws closer to its end. DeMaurice Smith is using scare tactics on his constituency and is doing everything within his capabilities to make this ugly. Why not just lock yourselves into hotel meeting rooms until the deal is done?

The article also talks about how the players health insurance may be canceled by the league. A lot of the players are upset about that. My question is, with as much money as they are being paid, why do they not have their own health insurance? I can understand seeing the NFL doctors because if I played for an NFL team I would want to see the doctors that see injuries on a regular basis that pertain to my injuries. But is their health insurance that elite that they can't find a better deal somewhere else? Maybe it's mandatory that the NFL provide this to them. All I'm saying is if they are making millions, is it that big of a deal to be without insurance for a year?

[CatMan72]

It would stink to get the # pick in a lockout year

Yup, we go through all this hell to "earn" the # 1 pick and then we have to use it in a watered-down draft because of the lockout...