You shouldn't cast stones at JR for "being cheap"

[CatfanMO]

Exactly. People don't realize that even if JR made $100MM/year (he doesn't), $6 million is 6% of his income.

Any of you $40,000/year guys gonna throw away $2,400 for no reason??

Crickets....

Not a good comparison. 6 M would be easier in his situation. I dont care about the numbers or percents you give me, it would be easier in his situation. Come on Man.

[CatfanMO]

The people that defend his moves this year must care more about his net worth than the team.

[TheRealDeal]

Also throwing 6% into your business is not that same as throwing 6% away "for no reason"

[PantherFanForLife]

Well I don't know about others but I personally don't even go to a restaurant where I get served if I know I can't leave a respectable tip. Having said that I also don't think Jerry Richardson is cheap in the sense everyone else is talking about. I would still like to believe all this has a bigger point behind it that just hasn't been revealed to us and probably will not, but I will say he is cheap, if after this year this style continues.

I can understand his moves perfectly fine if it's a plan to strengthen the franchise for the future, but the future is quickly approaching and I want to start seeing us reaping the rewards as a result of his tight budgets for the past couple of years.

We did this in order to re-build the franchise right? Well that begins this year, so I wanna see what he's going to do. We should be set-up financially way ahead of other teams to make some serious moves this off-season.

[bleys]

This thread is ridiculous. How does how much I tip a waiter have anything to do with whether a billionaire in charge of a billion dollar business decides to pay or not pay his team members.

For example I pay $1700 a year for tickets and paid 6 thousand for PSLs. I think that gives me the right to whine if Richardson goes on the cheap and produces a crappy product I am compelled to pay for. Especially when I knew we would suck as did the rest of the world outside of this message board. Plus, my tip is between me and the waiter, the Panthers are a public experience witnessed by tens of thousands weekly and millions nationally. I don't think the analogy is even close to realistic.

this may not be the point of the thread, but my interpretation is people care about how their money is spent.. you care to see a good product for the money you invest in the team..

JR still paid Fox 6 million to coach up what should have been a decent field of players..

We grabbed a decent prospect in QB and had Moore who had success before.. Without the injuries to the OLine, we should have still fielded a good run game and decent pass protection..

I blame the coaching staff more than JR. His point was to get the younger guys experience.. His decision to get rid of the vets were as much to field new potential than to put guys who reached all the potential they were going to have and on the downside of their career.. he mentioned he was tired of having a coaching staff who was always going to play the veteran.. do with that information as you will, but I will put stock in that. I think most fans have complained about this forever and find it hard to believe I'm the only one willing to take his word, instead of believing it was all about saving money. The timing made it convenient, no doubt..

I think if the CBA was 10 more years out then things would have went a lot differently.. If Fox didn't make the playoffs in '08, I believe it's just as likely he would have been gone.. Hindsight is 20/20, and that applies to the 2010 season as well. and if I were an owner I don't think I would rebuild the team when a huge determining factor regarding the future of the league takes place in less than a year away..

but back to we care how our money is spent.. PSL owners want a good product, well JR has a bigger responsibility to ensure that product is set up to produce for the future.. He still spent the league average for a coach and gave the young players valuable experience for the future..

now maybe there is a difference in opinion in leadership, but as far as talent, I only see Peppers being the valuable guy who was let go.. and whether you believe Pep in saying no one offered a contract or the FO who said they tried to resign him is another issue.. I find it hard to believe Pep wasn't already checked out of Carolina..

So back to the point of waiters.. sure it's a totally different situation, but it is a situation that represents a person's mentality.. are you cheap in your own life and hold higher expectations on others than you do yourself?

I think that would be interesting to find out by the people calling JR cheap.. granted, there's no possible way it's everyone or no one.. but why not rile up a few people while everyone is bitching about JR? lol

The people that defend his moves this year must care more about his net worth than the team.

not necessarily.. I think a few moves should have been made, primarily at WR.. but everyone in the off-season thought Moore would have been fairly good and Clausen had potential to be a solid starter, and not necessarily this year, but in year 2.. We had Moore to carry us this year..

but when it all fell apart, well, Jerry is a cheap bastard.. When really he did what we had been asking for years.. Get the young guys who are ready to step up out on the field..

were we trying to win a Superbowl? Obviously not.. but we had every reason to think we had a very competitive team.. and with CBA negotiations next year, I get it..

[Montsta]

This thread is ridiculous. How does how much I tip a waiter have anything to do with whether a billionaire in charge of a billion dollar business decides to pay or not pay his team members.

For example I pay $1700 a year for tickets and paid 6 thousand for PSLs. I think that gives me the right to whine if Richardson goes on the cheap and produces a crappy product I am compelled to pay for. Especially when I knew we would suck as did the rest of the world outside of this message board. Plus, my tip is between me and the waiter, the Panthers are a public experience witnessed by tens of thousands weekly and millions nationally. I don't think the analogy is even close to realistic.

The NFL is a business. Businesses are there for money to be made. Players know this. Coaches know this. Owners know this. JR is a shrewd businessman that knows the current business model of the NFL cannot sustain itself. He also knows that revenue cannot be sustained with the economy where it is.

You are a perfect case in point of rich vs. poor where the poor (not implying you are poor P55, you are intelligent enough to know what I mean) feel that the rich should be more free spending with their money.

The Panthers are not a publicly traded company so JR can do as he sees fit with no explanations to anybody.

And I do love the Panthers more than JR's net worth, and if I want to see the Panthers the team on Sundays, the Panthers the business must survive. JR did what he felt necessary to ensure that happens.

[CatfanMO]

this may not be the point of the thread, but my interpretation is people care about how their money is spent.. you care to see a good product for the money you invest in the team..

JR still paid Fox 6 million to coach up what should have been a decent field of players..

We grabbed a decent prospect in QB and had Moore who had success before.. Without the injuries to the OLine, we should have still fielded a good run game and decent pass protection..

I blame the coaching staff more than JR. His point was to get the younger guys experience.. His decision to get rid of the vets were as much to field new potential than to put guys who reached all the potential they were going to have and on the downside of their career.. he mentioned he was tired of having a coaching staff who was always going to play the veteran.. do with that information as you will, but I will put stock in that. I think most fans have complained about this forever and find it hard to believe I'm the only one willing to take his word, instead of believing it was all about saving money. The timing made it convenient, no doubt..

I think if the CBA was 10 more years out then things would have went a lot differently.. If Fox didn't make the playoffs in '08, I believe it's just as likely he would have been gone.. Hindsight is 20/20, and that applies to the 2010 season as well. and if I were an owner I don't think I would rebuild the team when a huge determining factor regarding the future of the league takes place in less than a year away..

but back to we care how our money is spent.. PSL owners want a good product, well JR has a bigger responsibility to ensure that product is set up to produce for the future.. He still spent the league average for a coach and gave the young players valuable experience for the future..

now maybe there is a difference in opinion in leadership, but as far as talent, I only see Peppers being the valuable guy who was let go.. and whether you believe Pep in saying no one offered a contract or the FO who said they tried to resign him is another issue.. I find it hard to believe Pep wasn't already checked out of Carolina..

So back to the point of waiters.. sure it's a totally different situation, but it is a situation that represents a person's mentality.. are you cheap in your own life and hold higher expectations on others than you do yourself?

I think that would be interesting to find out by the people calling JR cheap.. granted, there's no possible way it's everyone or no one.. but why not rile up a few people while everyone is bitching about JR? lol

Im not calling him cheap, I'm calling him money hungry. The bottom line is his bottom line...He bought the team to make money, not because he is a fan with money.

[Zcustom]

It's pretty disgusting to be sympathetic to a billionaire who basically just raped his fanbase.

[bleys]

no one is sympathetic.. no one is going around saying "Poor JR, he's wasting all this money"..

sympathetic is poorly chosen word.. and perhaps on purpose..

but if you cannot understand where he is coming from before this season occurred, then so be it.. point taken. won't discuss it further..

I know I wasn't one of the people who expected 2-14.. I was thinking 7-9.. and if we gelled a little better, maybe another game or 2.. I wasn't the only one..

so forgive me for not hating JR because I thought he made a decent move to get the young players on the field and prepare for the CBA.. who knew it would be this bad?

I really felt we had a decent team to build upon.. and as far as future contracts go why would you write them before you know how the cap will be determined? 1 or 2 is fine, but not an entire team...

would signing a WR and a DT have made this year acceptable?

[Montsta]

It's pretty disgusting to be sympathetic to a billionaire who basically just raped his fanbase.

As bleys stated, if this was a constant business model where JR put a shitty product on the field year after year at the expense of his consumer (fanbase) to line his pockets it would be a whole other issue.

1 year out of 15 in the middle of the worst economy any of us has witnessed personally does not a cheap man make IMO.

[The Saltman]

It's pretty disgusting to be sympathetic to a billionaire who basically just raped his fanbase.

ya he should have just gave the psl owners their money back and closed down the stadium for a year.

[CatfanMO]

As bleys stated, if this was a constant business model where JR put a shitty product on the field year after year at the expense of his consumer (fanbase) to line his pockets it would be a whole other issue.

1 year out of 15 in the middle of the worst economy any of us has witnessed personally does not a cheap man make IMO.

It goes back to caring about his bank account more than winning though. All the PSL owners should have done the same thing in this economy.

[Zcustom]

I don't think he's cheap, far from it.

Just don't expect me to feel bad cuz the guy has to write large checks.

[Zcustom]

Exactly. People don't realize that even if JR made $100MM/year (he doesn't), $6 million is 6% of his income.

Any of you $40,000/year guys gonna throw away $2,400 for no reason??

Crickets....

For the record this is what inspired my post

is JR "cheap", not only no buy hell no

however, when you start comparing percentage of salaries between a billionaire and an average working class person, yeah that's where you lose me

I get your point, but truth be told, us poor folk don't care too much about rich folx problems, mmmm hmmmm.