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Pat Yasinskas on Cam Newton: Go get him.

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No one, not Fairley, not Green, not even Andrew Luck, is "proven". This is a complete strawman argument.

Actually, its YOUR misconception.

The point of this article is that we don't need a DT as badly as we do a QB who can compete with Freeman, Brees and Ryan. Right now, we don't have that. We need to go get Newton if our FO thinks he can start.

Many think he can. So do I. I've yet to see any evidence he can't.

Like I said in another thread. If Sam Bradford can come out and start for the Rams, Newton can start for us.

Yas said "IF THEY THINK HES A FRANCHISE QB". Do you understand that???

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No one, not Fairley, not Green, not even Andrew Luck, is "proven". This is a complete strawman argument.

Read it again...I'm saying they are superior (sorry, better) prospects to become NFL players immediately. Didn't say they were 'proven'. That was a complete tinman comment.

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doesn't matter how fast he is. running quarterbacks are not successful in the NFL. the only reason Vick is having the success he is now is because he learned how to become an efficient passer(and a damn good one at that).

Vick runs when there are absolutely no options to pass it. Newton runs when his first read is covered.

This kind of bandwagon thinking is what's wrong with the football world...

Vick is not an elite passer, now, before his prison stay, or in college.

Vick's college passing numbers were garbage... sub-60% completion ratings. almost as many TDs as Ints his senior year. He just doesn't have field vision.

And how did the Eagles' playoff game end? With an interception that Vick threw.

It's the same kind of bandwagon thinking that is saying Newton can't pass, or has sloppy footwork, or is a one-read QB, or that he "just takes off". It's establishment thinking, and is ignorant towards dominating performance not only in the run, but with the pass.

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This kind of bandwagon thinking is what's wrong with the football world...

Vick is notan elite passer, now, before his prison stay, or in college.

Vick's college passing numbers were garbage... sub-60% completion ratings. almost as many TDs as Ints his senior year. He just doesn't have field vision.

And how did the Eagles' playoff game end? With an interception that Vick threw.

It's the same kind of bandwagon thinking that is saying Newton can't pass, or has sloppy footwork, or is a one-read QB, or that he "just takes off". It's establishment thinking, and is ignorant towards dominating performance not only in the run, but with the pass.

So, I think you are proving my point...How long did it take Vick to become an elite passer?

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No one, not Fairley, not Green, not even Andrew Luck, is "proven". This is a complete strawman argument.

Actually, its YOUR misconception.

The point of this article is that we don't need a DT as badly as we do a QB who can compete with Freeman, Brees and Ryan. Right now, we don't have that. We need to go get Newton if our FO thinks he can start.

Many think he can. So do I. I've yet to see any evidence he can't.

Like I said in another thread. If Sam Bradford can come out and start for the Rams, Newton can start for us.

You really didn't just compare newton to Bradford? One of Bradfords key traits was his Drew Bree's like accuracy Newton may have a high completion percentage but he is no were near as accurate as Bradford also his pocket presence and footwork are light years ahead of Newton.

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Read it again...I'm saying they are superior (sorry, better) prospects to become NFL players immediately. Didn't say they were 'proven'. That was a complete tinman comment.

Did you not say?

He needs to be proven

My point is that any draft pick is a gamble. But what I'm saying, and what Pat said, is that you draft for what you NEED.

The NFL is a QB league. Right now, we are the WORST in the league as far a QB play goes. We need someone who can elevate that position.

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All QBs are "projects" coming into the NFL, the transition is large no matter what offense you come from. Some are farther along (ie:Pro style offense) but it is mainly about intangibles and measurables. The rest is mental, and coming from a spread to the NFL is a larger transition, but can be done quickly depending on work ethic, ie sam bradford.

That being said, Newton has all the measurables you could ask for, Tall, strong arm, accurate, can extend plays. Seems to have good leadership (leading team down 24-0 at Bama). Question marks at character.

Stop acting like a number one pick should be a sure thing, it never is. Luck was a once in a decade type of prospect. Most others are "projects" to a certain degree.

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All QBs are "projects" coming into the NFL, the transition is large no matter what offense you come from. Some are farther along (ie:Pro style offense) but it is mainly about intangibles and measurables. The rest is mental, and coming from a spread to the NFL is a larger transition, but can be done quickly depending on work ethic, ie sam bradford.

That being said, Newton has all the measurables you could ask for, Tall, strong arm, accurate, can extend plays. Seems to have good leadership (leading team down 24-0 at Bama). Question marks at character.

Stop acting like a number one pick should be a sure thing, it never is. Luck was a once in a decade type of prospect. Most others are "projects" to a certain degree.

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All QBs are "projects" coming into the NFL, the transition is large no matter what offense you come from. Some are farther along (ie:Pro style offense) but it is mainly about intangibles and measurables. The rest is mental, and coming from a spread to the NFL is a larger transition, but can be done quickly depending on work ethic, ie sam bradford.

That being said, Newton has all the measurables you could ask for, Tall, strong arm, accurate, can extend plays. Seems to have good leadership (leading team down 24-0 at Bama). Question marks at character.

Stop acting like a number one pick should be a sure thing, it never is. Luck was a once in a decade type of prospect. Most others are "projects" to a certain degree.

You don't gamble a number one pick on a project when you're already weak at that spot and being wrong on that gamble will make you even weaker.

Even more true when there are other spots that need help and players with better scouting grades that fit those spots.

Gambling on any of this year's QBs with that top pick would be the absolute worst thing we could do :nonod:

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This kind of bandwagon thinking is what's wrong with the football world...

Vick is not an elite passer, now, before his prison stay, or in college.

Vick's college passing numbers were garbage... sub-60% completion ratings. almost as many TDs as Ints his senior year. He just doesn't have field vision.

And how did the Eagles' playoff game end? With an interception that Vick threw.

It's the same kind of bandwagon thinking that is saying Newton can't pass, or has sloppy footwork, or is a one-read QB, or that he "just takes off". It's establishment thinking, and is ignorant towards dominating performance not only in the run, but with the pass.

where did I say Vick was an elite passer? I said he was a very efficient passer. I don't throw around the word elite a lot, so I usually reserve it for just Brady, Manning, and Brees. Throwing a pick at the end of a game does not define his season. His season as a passer was phenomenal. 62% completion, 3k yards, 21 touchdowns, 6 interceptions, 100 QB rating.. and that was in what, 12 games?

and it's not bandwagon thinking that Newton can't pass. everyone I've spoken to, even some Auburn fans, acknowledge he is project and has a lot to work on.

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You don't gamble a number one pick on a project when you're already weak at that spot and being wrong on that gamble will make you even weaker.

Even more true when there are other spots that need help and players with better scouting grades that fit those spots.

Gambling on any of this year's QBs with that top pick would be the absolute worst thing we could do :nonod:

Im not saying we should draft Newton, but people are acting like DT and WR dont bust. DT busts as much, if not more than QB. WRs are iffy as well.

A QB bust will hurt us just as much if a DT busts, or WR. Either way youre not getting a player.

The thing with QB is, that the Risk is high, but the reward is so much higher than getting a DT or WR. A franchise QB instantly puts you in a position for long term success.

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