Cam Character Issue?

[Urrymonster]

I read the article... but the fact he brought up traffic tickets just sets me off, and as I said, makes the whole article meaningless.

Scrutiny by the GMs and Front Offices MIGHT be at such a high level as to review traffic violations... I don't think the same standard exists for every team.

But please, show me where, in the media or internet, a player's MINOR traffic violations were brought to light before the draft?

Minor means, any non-injury related accident, or non-DUI, traffic stop.

This kind of scrutiny by the media/public is just over the top.

Here's the line of thinking that this kind of scrutiny creates, and why I have a problem with this:

Turned his life around? Really? Turned it around from what? That habitual driving with a suspended license can be a really problem in life I hear. Maybe he should attend a suspended license support group if he hasn't already.

Ridiculous.

Oh my God, get off your high horse. You have a host of people basically agreeing he is potentially the best player in the draft. You have a whole article written about many of his flaws aren't what they seem. Instead you get pissy because there is something negative to write about him.

Again, it's not just the 12 tickets.

It's the two cases of being caught cheating

It's the stolen laptop

It's the running from the police when he was obviously caught

It's the fact his dad is very much in charge of him and appears to make questionable decisions

Traffic tickets AREN'T much on their own. Hell almost any driver will get 1 or 2 no matter how careful they are. He picked up 12 in two years. That's one every other month. That just shows despite getting in trouble he refused to actually take note and stop what he was doing.

Seriously just stop with the angst and 'EVERYONE HATES CAM'. They don't. Not many do and somehow you have neglected the fact he is very much the media darling. It's like you are trying to make out that everyone is against him, when everyone else is having a pretty mature discussion.

Just get a grip and act your age.

[mav1234]

If traffic violations are as trivial as you say, then how is it really character assassination? All they do is paint the picture of a young man who made some mistakes. I do not think this was presented in some kind of misleading way; in fact, the article itself partially dismisses them as not being a big deal. The mentioning of the alone is not really character assassination in my opinion.

Now, if you're saying that the fact someone put them out there could lead to character assassination, that is true I suppose, but I do not think this article itself was anything close to character assassination.

Plus, we're talking about things that are a matter of public record. There's nothing wrong with doing the research, as long as it's accurate and this is certainly not twisted in a way as to incriminate him terribly.

[rayzor]

I read the article... but the fact he brought up traffic tickets just sets me off, and as I said, makes the whole article meaningless.

wow. mountain out of a molehill. massive overreaction on your behalf.

you seriously are making way too much out of that. you criticize people for picking out one insignificant part of a guys life and supposedly writing him off because of it, but you are doing the very same thing.

at least 95% of that behemoth article was incredibly favorable and could even be considered by some to be a fluff piece or even an article written by a cam newton apologist, yet you are going to say that one small part talking about something that you yourself said doesn't mean a whole lot makes the whole article meaningless.

you expect someone who writes a big article on newton or anyone that doesn't at least have some negative's brought up to be taken seriously? :lol:

this was as good as you an get in an article about newton without being seen as "draft newton" propaganda and even then i can see how some might even consider it as that. but you can only see the one tiny dirty spot and are unable to see anything else. very funny.

[blackcatgrowl]

If traffic violations are as trivial as you say, then how is it really character assassination? All they do is paint the picture of a young man who made some mistakes. I do not think this was presented in some kind of misleading way; in fact, the article itself partially dismisses them as not being a big deal. The mentioning of the alone is not really character assassination in my opinion.

Now, if you're saying that the fact someone put them out there could lead to character assassination, that is true I suppose, but I do not think this article itself was anything close to character assassination.

Plus, we're talking about things that are a matter of public record. There's nothing wrong with doing the research, as long as it's accurate and this is certainly not twisted in a way as to incriminate him terribly.

Ah... but the proof of the intent is in his reply on this forum.

He says traffic violations paint a picture of a "sense of entitlement".

Really? Hmm. When I 20 years old, and was racing to a worksite north of Greensboro, I got pulled over for a 90 in a 75.

Was I really thinking to myself "I'm above the law!"

No... I was thinking "crap crap crap crap... I'm late..." and speed limits weren't even processing in my head.

It's strawman logic, which most people won't pick apart and accept. So when then average person reads this law brief of an article about Cam, the writers of this article are trying to say "Oh, he's shown he doesn't respect the law. He's got an over-inflated sense of entitlement!"

Which is complete BS. We don't know what was going on his head. Maybe he didn't have another way around? Maybe he thought getting to school was more important that a traffic ticket?

[rayzor]

It all amounts to character assassination of the guy.

again, this was by far the most intelligently written and most positive article that i have seen on him and you see it as character assination? :lol:

[blackcatgrowl]

again, this was by far the most intelligently written and most positive article that i have seen on him and you see it as character assination? :lol:

When the authors say that his previous actions show a "Sense of Entitlement" based on traffic violations... I'm going to say, yes, there is some overtly critical character discussion going on.

And because of that, anything "good" they say about him is going to be tainted with this mentality.

[TheRealDeal]

If it's not 100% Pro Cam, Blackcat will not hear it!

[rayzor]

When the authors say that his previous actions show a "Sense of Entitlement" based on traffic violations... I'm going to say, yes, there is some overtly critical character discussion going on.

And because of that, anything "good" they say about him is going to be tainted with this mentality.

:lol: whatever....

message to everyone...even though this article makes the best case for him being a #1 pick and brings to light the truth regarding his criticisms that, most of which, they have proven to be baseless, blackcatgrowl wants you to ignore the piece because a few sentences in it were "overly critical".

:seeya:

[rayzor]

If it's not 100% Pro Cam, Blackcat will not hear it!

out of curiousity, did you read it? it may take you a few hours due to you being a pinhead :), but still it would be well worth the effort.

if you did or do read it, i'd be interested to see your reaction...though they'd probably be better off in the other thread that discusses it.

[blackcatgrowl]

Again, it's not just the 12 tickets.

Orly?

It's the two cases of being caught cheating

Was never proven, EVER, by anyone, and the people in the article admit they have no proof of it.

But because of the diatribe of allegations, people accept it as fact.

It's the stolen laptop

That he didn't steal.

It's the running from the police when he was obviously caught

Yes, he bought it knowing it was stolen, and tried to hide it when the police investigated. Bad decision.

But the courts felt compelled to drop the charges against him. Thus, there is NO conviction of any crime.

This means, he was involved in something stupid, but not big enough of a thing to really matter.

Why it keeps getting brought up just means the media has put him on trial to the public.

It's the fact his dad is very much in charge of him and appears to make questionable decisions

Because Cam is the first pro athlete who has an overbearing father who made decisions for him that were bad?

You know Cam has a brother on an NFL team already? Why didn't we hear about Cecil Newton before?

Traffic tickets AREN'T much on their own. Hell almost any driver will get 1 or 2 no matter how careful they are. He picked up 12 in two years. That's one every other month. That just shows despite getting in trouble he refused to actually take note and stop what he was doing.

Seriously just stop with the angst and 'EVERYONE HATES CAM'. They don't. Not many do and somehow you have neglected the fact he is very much the media darling. It's like you are trying to make out that everyone is against him, when everyone else is having a pretty mature discussion.

Just get a grip and act your age.

Seriously, telling me to "get a grip" just shows your immaturity and lack of knowledge about this guy.

Let me bring you up to speed....

About 4 weeks before the SEC championship, the poo has been flying about this kid, in the media AND on this board. I've been watching it with interest, and participated in those threads, as I saw some Auburn games during the season and was completely blown away with his play.

As more and more BS as surfaced, it's become increasingly obvious that there was a crowd of "Anti-Newton" people on this board, almost all of which have admitted that they are hating on him because there are people who are giving him props.

I've seen irrelevant comparisons of him to Russell, Vick, McNabb, Big Ben. I've seen breakdowns of his play that were completely subjective and nit-picky. And yes, there have been racial remarks too.

And now... someone linked an article where his traffic tickets are "brought to light"?

The Newton hate is worn thin. If there is a REAL reason why the kid shouldn't be a part of our draft conversation, I'm all for it. Like that Gabbert video recently posted. That showed some horrible play on his part repeatedly. Other than that, these stupid threads like "Cam Character Issues" about him need to gtfo.

[TheRealDeal]

out of curiousity, did you read it? it may take you a few hours due to you being a pinhead :), but still it would be well worth the effort.

if you did or do read it, i'd be interested to see your reaction...though they'd probably be better off in the other thread that discusses it.

Why do you care what I think about an article about Cam?

[TheRealDeal]

The Newton hate is worn thin. If there is a REAL reason why the kid shouldn't be a part of our draft conversation, I'm all for it. Like that Gabbert video recently posted. That showed some horrible play on his part repeatedly. Other than that, these stupid threads like "Cam Character Issues" about him need to gtfo.

There are plenty of real reasons but you refuse to accept them and then get all bitchy about racism and how we aren't NFL scouts and blah blah blah.

You don't want to accept anything negative said about Cam...you need to "gtfo"

[Urrymonster]

out of curiousity, did you read it? it may take you a few hours due to you being a pinhead :), but still it would be well worth the effort.

if you did or do read it, i'd be interested to see your reaction...though they'd probably be better off in the other thread that discusses it.

I know it wasn't addressed to me but it did make me think about a couple of things that I had know about him.

Can't remember if it was in this article but I found it interesting that he was urged to run more, because up till a couple of years ago he was fundamentally a pocket QB.

I still think his system this past year was perfect for him and it will have developed certain tendencies, but it gives me hope that his behaviour when being pressured will be more coachable.

The flip side is I put more into character than most (going back to your old post I was always one of those annoyingly mature 19-20 yo) and it did give more information on his struggles in the past.

[Urrymonster]

Orly?

Was never proven, EVER, by anyone, and the people in the article admit they have no proof of it.

But because of the diatribe of allegations, people accept it as fact.

That he didn't steal.

Yes, he bought it knowing it was stolen, and tried to hide it when the police investigated. Bad decision.

But the courts felt compelled to drop the charges against him. Thus, there is NO conviction of any crime.

This means, he was involved in something stupid, but not big enough of a thing to really matter.

Why it keeps getting brought up just means the media has put him on trial to the public.

Because Cam is the first pro athlete who has an overbearing father who made decisions for him that were bad?

You know Cam has a brother on an NFL team already? Why didn't we hear about Cecil Newton before?

Seriously, telling me to "get a grip" just shows your immaturity and lack of knowledge about this guy.

Let me bring you up to speed....

About 4 weeks before the SEC championship, the poo has been flying about this kid, in the media AND on this board. I've been watching it with interest, and participated in those threads, as I saw some Auburn games during the season and was completely blown away with his play.

As more and more BS as surfaced, it's become increasingly obvious that there was a crowd of "Anti-Newton" people on this board, almost all of which have admitted that they are hating on him because there are people who are giving him props.

I've seen irrelevant comparisons of him to Russell, Vick, McNabb, Big Ben. I've seen breakdowns of his play that were completely subjective and nit-picky. And yes, there have been racial remarks too.

And now... someone linked an article where his traffic tickets are "brought to light"?

The Newton hate is worn thin. If there is a REAL reason why the kid shouldn't be a part of our draft conversation, I'm all for it. Like that Gabbert video recently posted. That showed some horrible play on his part repeatedly. Other than that, these stupid threads like "Cam Character Issues" about him need to gtfo.

There is not point in even talking to you about this guy.

You have people continuously saying that they are positive about the guy, an article that backs it up and simply because some red flags have been thrown you act like a baby.

You really do have you head in the sand. You take offence to tiny things people say when they aren't even abusive about him or you.

The media have 'assassinated' Locker, written off Mallet and most places are now listening Cam above Gabbert. What more do you want...?

You really do need to get a grip, or possibly take some time out from the keyboard. The pent up aggression and frustration is a bit unbelievable. You are actually making KT look balanced and unobjectionable when it comes to Qb discussions.