Another example of Bryce playing chess that casuals wouldn’t notice or appreciate

[Mr. Scot]

On 11/4/2025 at 2:11 PM, SmokinwithWilly said:

Plenty of guys do enough to win on Sunday. That doesn't make them franchise QBs. Brissett beat Dallas last night. Think Arizona is ready to crown him king? What did Young do Sunday that you wouldn't expect from any other QB in the NFL on any given Sunday? 

I'm not scared of him succeeding. I want him to succeed. Succeeding is the best thing for this team. But I didnt see one thing on Sunday that made me think that guy is a franchise QB. 8 games into year 3 and I'm still waiting to be able to say that. 

Bryce did what was asked of him which was not much and nearly nothing compared to other QBs in the league. At some point, he's going to have to be able to carry a team from start to finish with no running game and beat a team when there's actually something on the line, not when we're already eliminated. You cannot give him franchise QB money when he hasn't had a single franchise QB game performance. 

I don't think asking him to win with basically no support is a fair test for any quarterback. Hell, even a physical specimen like Newton...

I've said already, by my definition (and those vary) Bryce is not a franchise quarterback.

But if he continues to win games, it's definitely possible he could be thrust into that role.

That's what I think scares the hell out of some people.

[Mr. Scot]

On 11/4/2025 at 2:21 PM, frankw said:

Bryce Young is not Jake Delhomme. In any capacity. They don't belong in the same conversation.

If Bryce is in line with any Panthers QB it's Jimmy Clausen.

Nah. Bryce is better than Clausen.

He's at least capable of being a good backup. Clausen wasn't even that.

[Mr. Scot]

On 11/4/2025 at 2:33 PM, csx said:

Giving him credit for Dowdle and the Defense is just dumb.

Giving him no credit at all for his part in winning the game is dumber.

[Proudiddy]

On 11/3/2025 at 9:01 PM, CRA said:

I mean, most likely this 78th degree chess move…..was the coaches/playcall.  Not some Bryce Young experiment. 

coaches knew they wanted Rico and not Bryce to have the ball in their hands.   So they went to great efforts to disguise it 

Not only that, no hate, but I and probably a million other madden players have called fake hot routes and protections while running clock to achieve the same effect.  If this is chess, I must be fuging Bobby Fischer.

[strato]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't think asking him to win with basically no support is a fair test for any quarterback. Hell, even a physical specimen like Newton...

I've said already, by my definition (and those vary) Bryce is not a franchise quarterback.

But if he continues to win games, it's definitely possible he could be thrust into that role.

That's what I think scares the hell out of some people.

If he doesn’t show more, it should scare people. I mean if you are talking the big money contract.  Looking at what we have looked at and paying big time money for it gives me a bad case of  whatever phobia applies. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't think asking him to win with basically no support is a fair test for any quarterback. Hell, even a physical specimen like Newton...

I've said already, by my definition (and those vary) Bryce is not a franchise quarterback.

But if he continues to win games, it's definitely possible he could be thrust into that role.

That's what I think scares the hell out of some people.

What really scares me is staring down the barrel of a 5 year 200 - 220m contract extension at the end of this season based on what we've seen so far in 2 1/2 seasons worth of play.

I still haven't seen Bryce winning games the way Cam or Jake used to do. Is he the QB when we win some games. Yeah. But if I look at those games, I don't ever say that guy right there is the reason we're winning football games. Not the way it was with Cam or Jake. 

I'm not saying he isnt going to be more than what is right now, and if it was year 1 or 2, i probably wouldnt care. But with 8 games left and that contract extension/5th year looming, who knows what's going to happen. Tepper is the ultimate wildcard in all of this and he doesn't scare me, he terrifies me. 

[Mr. Scot]

21 minutes ago, strato said:

If he doesn’t show more, it should scare people. I mean if you are talking the big money contract.  Looking at what we have looked at and paying big time money for it gives me a bad case of  whatever phobia applies. 

It's a weird dilemma, similar to the numerous tanking debates we've had on here.

If he continues to win, I would expect he'll at least get the fifth year option. 

Do I think there are gonna be better prospects available to us? Yeah, I do.

But how do you justify making that sort of change if we're winning?

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

What really scares me is staring down the barrel of a 5 year 200 - 220m contract extension at the end of this season based on what we've seen so far in 2 1/2 seasons worth of play.

I still haven't seen Bryce winning games the way Cam or Jake used to do. Is he the QB when we win some games. Yeah. But if I look at those games, I don't ever say that guy right there is the reason we're winning football games. Not the way it was with Cam or Jake. 

I'm not saying he isnt going to be more than what is right now, and if it was year 1 or 2, i probably wouldnt care. But with 8 games left and that contract extension/5th year looming, who knows what's going to happen. Tepper is the ultimate wildcard in all of this and he doesn't scare me, he terrifies me. 

See above.

I would say that I have a hard time imagining the Panthers throwing that kind of money at him. But ya never know...

[strato]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's a weird dilemma, similar to the numerous tanking debates we've had on here.

If he continues to win, I would expect he'll at least get the fifth year option. 

Do I think there are gonna be better prospects available to us? Yeah, I do.

But how do you justify making that sort of change if we're winning?

I think you ask these top notch analytics guys we pay how hard it is to replace his production. And what you should pay for it. 

I think you make him beat someone out. He was handed the job his first year and has never had any competition.

I would not pay him unless he shows he is more than he has shown and gives evidence that it is repeatable, which so far, good luck seeing that.

But we have 8 games  

 

Edited 2 hours ago by strato

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

See above.

I would say that I have a hard time imagining the Panthers throwing that kind of money at him. But ya never know...

That's why I've been pretty adamant that my issue isn't with Bryce and his performance as much as it's been with the FO and the way the whole QB room has been handled. From the Frank hire, to DC and DM being hired and required to have BY as QB1, Dalton's 2nd contract after an abysmal performance last year, no attempt to upgrade even the 3rd qb spot. None of it makes any sense unless Tepper is heavily involved in the BY situation from roster to contract. And Tepper has already shown he does not have the best of instincts where QB performance and contracts are involved. 

[frankw]

47 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nah. Bryce is better than Clausen.

He's at least capable of being a good backup. Clausen wasn't even that.

He's marginally better than Jimmy was in terms of production. Which is still a massive step down from our two best long term QB's in franchise history. Idk why people walk around on egg shells so much about this convo. If Bryce were a third round pick that played for a smaller school the perception would be completely different. As it is we find ourselves trashing anyone and everyone in order to shield him from criticism including our 8th overall pick. At some point we have to ask the tough questions. And just like with Jimmy we have to ask ourselves just how much better would the moving parts within the offense be with a more capable less limited starting QB.

[strato]

28 minutes ago, frankw said:

He's marginally better than Jimmy was in terms of production. Which is still a massive step down from our two best long term QB's in franchise history. Idk why people walk around on egg shells so much about this convo. If Bryce were a third round pick that played for a smaller school the perception would be completely different. As it is we find ourselves trashing anyone and everyone in order to shield him from criticism including our 8th overall pick. At some point we have to ask the tough questions. And just like with Jimmy we have to ask ourselves just how much better would the moving parts within the offense be with a more capable less limited starting QB.

I was just looking at Doug Flutie this morning. A better passer than Bryce and I think maybe a better runner. 
You know what he had to go through to make the NFL? A whole lot. 4 years of being a top CFL guy, had to take a big pay cut to be a backup in Buffalo, just to get his foot in the door. people wouldn’t give a shot because of his size. They were smart back then. 
 

He was legit, did more than anything Bryce has shown so far, but these modern participation trophy types just handed Bryce an NFL starting job. 
And we are still waiting for him to prove he deserves it. 

[Mr. Scot]

 

55 minutes ago, strato said:

I think you ask these top notch analytics guys we pay how hard it is to replace his production. And what you should pay for it. 

I think you make him beat someone out. He was handed the job his first year and has never had any competition.

I would not pay him unless he shows he is more than he has shown and gives evidence that it is repeatable, which so far, good luck seeing that.

But we have 8 games  

 

I get the idea. I'm just not sure how that plays out in a real world negotiation when agents and egos get involved.

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

I get the idea. I'm just not sure how that plays out in a real world negotiation when agents and egos get involved.

What exactly are you negotiating? 

Edited 1 hour ago by mrcompletely11