Canales recipe for wins

[cranky]

Canales’ recipe for success is simple — slow the game down with long drives that keep the other team’s offense off the field.

Long drives are built from short gains but short gains require more 3rd-down conversions. 

The Panthers are converting 37.5% of their third downs, which is average but not enough. As a result, they have attempted 21 fourth downs — the most in the NFL — and they’ve converted 71.4% of them, ranking 3rd among teams with at least 15 attempts. The Chiefs are second @ 80% and the Colts are first at 88% but the majority of their conversions are short yardage runs - not passes. 

The Panthers have had three big wins this season — against Miami, the Cowboys, and the Packers — those conversions have played a major role in each of those wins.

Miami
The Panthers trailed by 17 in the 2nd quarter, facing a 4th-and-5 at the Miami 48. Young threw a 21-yard completion and they went on to score 7 on that drive. Then in the 4th, down by 4, they faced another 4th-and-5 at the Miami 33. Young delivered a 17-yard completion for the 1st down and they went on to score the winning TD.

Cowboys
The game is tied and the Panthers take over at their own 14 with 6 minutes left. Rico picks up 16 yards and Young converts two 3rd downs, gaining 37 yards, but misses on a third conversion. At the Cowboys’ 40, facing a 4th-and-4 at the 2-minute mark — knowing the Cowboys likely score if they get the ball back — Canales has them go for it. Young converts with a 7-yard pass putting them at the 33 in FG range. They then go on to kicj the game winning FG.

Packers
Young was 2-for-2 on 4th-down attempts. Then on the final drive starting from their own 19 with the score tied, Young converts two 3rd downs for 19 yards and Rico adds another 19 to move them into field-goal range for the win.

In total, Bryce went 2-for-4 on 3rd downs and 5-for-5 on 4th downs on critical plays in those games. When the Panthers needed 1 yard against the Packers on their own 41 early in the game, Canales went to Young. - not Rico. When they needed 4 yards to keep the drive going at the 2 minute mark against the Cowboys he went to Young. Those throws weren’t empty-yardage completions; they were high-pressure, must-convert moments that directly contributed to all three wins.

I keep reading how the Panthers  are winning in spite of Young, that Canales doesn’t trust him and schemes around him. But these drives show the opposite: when the game is on the line, Canales has consistently put the ball in Young’s hands and Young has consistently produced in those moments. 

Some people do well in normal situations but crumble under pressure. Others can be uneven in normal times but produce when the presure is greatest. The question is who would you rather have in the playoffs. More importantly, who do you think Canales and the FO would want?

 

[CRA]

Bryce technically having to make some throws doesn’t mean they aren’t winning in spite of below average QB play.  Every time a team wins with a meh QB play holding them back…..the QB still technically participates in the game and you can cherry pick some random play. 

Bryce got them in a huge hole vs Miami for example and Rico dug them out with crazy play.  Using that as an example of believing in Bryce is crazy work 

[CmC2k]

Bryce has the clutch gene no one can argue that. The problem is that we wouldn't be in half of these situations if Bryce was throwing for more than 120 yards a game. 

I like Bryce and I hope he can figure it out, but you can't consistently win high level NFL games throwing for less than 200 yards. I thought he turned the corner last year after his benching as it looked like he and Dave had the confidence in each other to throw the ball down the field. I don't know where that has been this year, but it seems they've forced Bryce into a checkdown game manager. It's leading to wins so that's a good thing but when push comes to shove late in the year when things get down, we really need to open up the playbook and let Bryce sink or swim and prove he's the guy going forward. 

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, CmC2k said:

Bryce has the clutch gene no one can argue that. The problem is that we wouldn't be in half of these situations if Bryce was throwing for more than 120 yards a game. 

I like Bryce and I hope he can figure it out, but you can't consistently win high level NFL games throwing for less than 200 yards. I thought he turned the corner last year after his benching as it looked like he and Dave had the confidence in each other to throw the ball down the field. I don't know where that has been this year, but it seems they've forced Bryce into a checkdown game manager. It's leading to wins so that's a good thing but when push comes to shove late in the year when things get down, we really need to open up the playbook and let Bryce sink or swim and prove he's the guy going forward. 

The Golden Calf of Bristol was Mr Clutch time.  It’s the Skip Bayless argument.  Someone being trash all game doesn’t matter….if you can cherry pick one random play late 

[cranky]

3 minutes ago, CmC2k said:

Bryce has the clutch gene no one can argue that. The problem is that we wouldn't be in half of these situations if Bryce was throwing for more than 120 yards a game. 

I like Bryce and I hope he can figure it out, but you can't consistently win high level NFL games throwing for less than 200 yards. I thought he turned the corner last year after his benching as it looked like he and Dave had the confidence in each other to throw the ball down the field. I don't know where that has been this year, but it seems they've forced Bryce into a checkdown game manager. It's leading to wins so that's a good thing but when push comes to shove late in the year when things get down, we really need to open up the playbook and let Bryce sink or swim and prove he's the guy going forward. 

He threw for 199 and 198 against Miami and the Cowboys so he didn't get them into that situation in those games.

More importantly, Miami, the Cowboys and the Packers threw for 261, 256 and 273 yards respectivly - all more than Young. And yet they all lost. High passing yardage does not equate to wins.

[cranky]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

The Golden Calf of Bristol was Mr Clutch time.  It’s the Skip Bayless argument.  Someone how being trash all game doesn’t matter….if you can cherry pick one random play late 

One random play lol? 

[CRA]

1 minute ago, cranky said:

One random play lol? 

True, sometimes, he is just bad all game.  

There have been very few games Bryce Young wasn’t below average this year.  Just a fact.   Very few. 

The Bryce talks at this stage are just fantasy creation vs reality. 
 

 

[strato]

2 minutes ago, cranky said:

He threw for 199 and 198 against Miami and the Cowboys so he didn't get them into that situation in those games.

More importantly, Miami, the Cowboys and the Packers threw for 261, 256 and 273 yards respectivly - all more than Young. And yet they all lost. High passing yardage does not equate to wins.

Well he actually did get them into a bad situation vs Miami. 

As far as the recipe discussed above, Canales is under pressure to improve the record if he wants to keep the job. if he has to play it safe to do that, that is what he does. He apparently believes turning Bryce loose would not be helpful. 

As far as the 4th down, fine. Bring him in for 4th down short yardage jump passes. 

[cranky]

2 minutes ago, strato said:

Well he actually did get them into a bad situation vs Miami. 

As far as the recipe discussed above, Canales is under pressure to improve the record if he wants to keep the job. if he has to play it safe to do that, that is what he does. He apparently believes turning Bryce loose would not be helpful. 

As far as the 4th down, fine. Bring him in for 4th down short yardage jump passes. 

He did...but he also got them out of it. As far as his opinion on Young, that's all speculation on yours' and others around here part. 

 

[raleigh-panther]

Young is,Young

not going to change 

he seems to do better out of the pocket , off script with for lack of  better phrasing, drama ball…not hero ball, drama  ball

one of the issues he may have is his receivers are very nfl level inexperienced and do not know when to break off routes that aren’t working and find that spot where Young can find them

to my mind, that is why Thielen excelled here…he knew when and how to stop a route that wasnt working, where to settle for the little guy to see him and work his  way back to Young when young was in trouble 

Edited 1 hour ago by raleigh-panther

[BEASTfromdaEAST]

To OP,

They have tried to "open up the offense" and let him sink or swim.  He sunk......quickly like a bag of fn rocks filled with cement.

When a QB lacks velocity and arm strength those down field throws that they were able to make in college against subpar CBs (even in SEC 99% CFB don't make NFL rosters) gets picked off.  Defensive pressures are different so Canales playbook is what is HAS TO BE. Check downs and pound the rock which I am fine with.  I Just don't want the BY supporting homers out there not giving Dowdle and the OLINE their due to fit their ridiculous narrative giving thinking the problem is the solution.

I am excited for when this team has an actual NFL QB and what this coaching staff can put together.  As of now they are doing the best with what they have IMO.  That is something that is promising once DM and DC find their QB 

[strato]

11 minutes ago, cranky said:

He did...but he also got them out of it. As far as his opinion on Young, that's all speculation on yours' and others around here part. 

 

Bro, Rico got him out of it vs Miami. 
 

The opinion part, is sort of born out of the extremely conservative play calling. You don’t think so?