First 4 NFL starts - Tyler Shough

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm not sure that the reason he's not playing is due to the round he was draft in. 

I assumed it was the play that resulted in that type of QBR on the season.  Others in that range, get to keep playing for reasons that have something to do with not being a 5th round pick.   

I mean, I actually think for a 5th round pick...Rattler is a decent young body to have at your #3 or even #2 spot pending you got a solid QB you aren't looking to replace. 

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

I assumed it was the play that resulted in that type of QBR on the season.  Others in that range, get to keep playing for reasons that have something to do with not being a 5th round pick.   

I mean, I actually think for a 5th round pick...Rattler is a decent young body to have at your #3 or even #2 spot pending you got a solid QB you aren't looking to replace. 

I tend to think coaches don't even look at QBR or any other stat. The base the decisions on performance they can see on the field and not what the stats say. I tend to agree but I don't play fantasy football where stats matter.

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3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I tend to think coaches don't even look at QBR or any other stat. The base the decisions on performance they can see on the field and not what the stats say. I tend to agree but I don't play fantasy football where stats matter.

well, I think NFL teams do use stats these days.  Analytics just too big of a thing.  Now, I don't think they give a rip about ESPN's QBR.   

but do think a good team knows what there QBs completion % is going to this area of the field vs that coverage? Yes.  

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

well, I think NFL teams do use stats these days.  Analytics just too big of a thing.  Now, I don't think they give a rip about ESPN's QBR.   

but do think a good team knows what there QBs completion % is going to this area of the field vs that coverage? Yes.  

They use it to evaluate salaries and game strategies. I don't think they use it to determine who starts. 

[CRA]

15 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

They use it to evaluate salaries and game strategies. I don't think they use it to determine who starts. 

I mean, sure.  But to an extent.....the bad play and stats will sort of jive up often.   I do think players and coaches are aware of the stats.  I'm sure a QB at some point has heard his coach throw his awful stats in his face in anger lol.  

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

I mean, sure.  But to an extent.....the bad play and stats will sort of jive up often.   I do think players and coaches are aware of the stats.  I'm sure a QB at some point has a QB has heard his coach throw his awful stats in his face in anger lol.  

They will tell them how many throws in a row they have missed right before they sit them out lol

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, strato said:

That’s unfair, and bullshit. It just isn’t true. 

I mean...it kinda is

It might not be a "substantial" portion, but we genuinely do have people who are still upset after games we've won because...stats.

Kinda silly in my opinion, but... 

Edited 1 hour ago by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

59 minutes ago, Jackson113.2 said:

Okay...that's pretty cool.

[Mr. Scot]

32 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I tend to think coaches don't even look at QBR or any other stat. The base the decisions on performance they can see on the field and not what the stats say. I tend to agree but I don't play fantasy football where stats matter.

Depends on the coach, but in my opinion that's how the smart coaches operate.

I don't really see Andy Reid or Sean McVay going by a stat sheet.

24 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

They use it to evaluate salaries and game strategies. 

That's probably more guys like Suleiman and Tilis than it is coaches.

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Depends on the coach, but in my opinion that's how the smart coaches operate.

I don't really see Andy Reid or Sean McVay going by a stat sheet.

That's probably more guys like Suleiman and Tilis than it is coaches.

I'm talking about the folks that actually use the stats.

[CRA]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I mean...it kinda is

It might not be a "substantial" portion, but we genuinely do have people who are still upset after games we've won because...stats.

Kinda silly in my opinion, but... 

I don't think that's intellectually honest of the view at all...

I think the people you deem are "unhappy" with stats......just stay fixated on the the big picture and to actually matter in the NFL going forward, you need more offensive production and more threatening play from the QB spot....if the goal is to be consistently relevant in the future and present a real threat to win the league on an ongoing basis (which is supposed to the goal and mission you are building toward)

Finding our way to a random 9 win season......without the inspiration belief we are on the way to achieve what we want .....just doesn't actually mean much. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don't think that's intellectually honest of the view at all...

I think the people you deem are "unhappy" with stats......just stay fixated on the the big picture and to actually matter in the NFL going forward, you need more offensive production and more threatening play from the QB spot....if the goal is to be consistently relevant in the future and present a real threat to win the league on an ongoing basis. 

Finding our way to a random 9 win season......without the inspiration belief we are on the way to achieve what we want .....just doesn't actually mean much. 

No. It's pretty much what I said. People don't wanna admit it because it sounds silly..which it is.

As has been repeated many times, my evaluation of Bryce and why I think he should be a backup rather than a starter, isn't stat based.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm talking about the folks that actually use the stats.

Mentioned it elsewhere, but I think it was Person who said Scott Fitterer went all in on analytics after joining Tepper's org but Dan Morgan prefers old school "eyes on film" scouting.

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

No. It's pretty much what I said. People don't wanna admit it because it sounds silly..which it is.

As has been repeated many times, my evaluation of Bryce and why I think he should be a backup rather than a starter, isn't stat based.

I mean, you are doing here what you do.  

but yeah, the people you are "addressing" here don't think as you want to portray them.   No one actually gives a fug about literal stats.  

threatening play and overall load carrying ability of an offense matter when it comes to a QB.  Especially, if your goal is to build a really good football team.  Thats generally the fixation of most teams.  Find that dude that can carry a team if need be and good enough to win a Super Bowl.  

Sometimes stats get talked about just because it is an easy way to talk on a message board about QBs that don't got what they are looking for and don't view as the answer.