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Falcons to hire Stefanski

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Just now, electro's horse said:

Canales’ offense with everything he has and the qb he was hired to work with was comparable across the board to what Cleveland did this year.

not really the flex you’re hoping for

Yet it was only his second year...

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2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He has improved the offense?  And yeah man our roster is still piss poor due to the bryce trade and what we gave up.  I wouldnt be planting my flag just yet going 8-10 in a horrid division.

Better than what the Browns did in a division that was arguably almost as bad this year.

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thats a strange fuging hill to die on

I'm not dying on anything. fug Stefanski. I'm not the one saying he's such a great hire (in a Panthers forum, no less). There are plenty of questions marks regarding his coaching style and body of work, yet some of you Huddlers think he's an ascending Belichick or something. Well, keep at it. My focus is going back to where it should be.

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2 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I'm not dying on anything. fug Stefanski. I'm not the one saying he's such a great hire (in a Panthers forum, no less). There are plenty of questions marks regarding his coaching style and body of work, yet some of you Huddlers think he's an ascending Belichick or something. Well, keep at it. My focus is going back to where it should be.

Nobody is saying that.  However he is a good coach and better than morris.  Thats the point they are upgrading.  Just like the saints.  TB seems to be holding steady

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2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Nobody is saying that.  However he is a good coach and better than morris.  Thats the point they are upgrading.  Just like the saints.  TB seems to be holding steady

I'll give it at least three years before I'll say anyone is upgrading. There is a whole lot that goes into that, and not just what's done on the field.

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I'll give it at least three years before I'll say anyone is upgrading. There is a whole lot that goes into that, and not just what's done on the field.

So after 2026 is when we can tell if the falcons improved by hiring Raheem morris?

Youre dealing buddy 

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So after 2026 is when we can tell if the falcons improved by hiring Raheem morris?

Youre dealing buddy 

We'll never know what Morris would've done next season. Hell, Gruden took Tony Dungy's team to the Super Bowl and won. I believe that Tony Dungy would've won. We'll never know. Those are facts!

Crystal balls are overrated. 

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1 hour ago, TD alt said:

Stefanski is too busy trying to fit players into his scheme than actually putting players into the best situation to succeed. That's a pet peeve of mind. I want my coaches to adapt, in-game, personnel-wise and opponent-wise. I know it can be considered a big ask, but that's what makes great coaches great. I want to see coaches continually do more with less, not do less with more. 

I agree.  Just not sure about all the dynamics.  I know his relationship with Watson was dysfunctional, Myles talked about wanting out, etc.  However, I am not sure how versatile he is.  Specifically, who was out of position in your estimation?  What adjustments did you want to see against what teams?  I did not keep up with the Browns like you did, so I am just curious.I do, however, agree 100% with your premise.  For the past year, I have been working 60 hours per week, so I am out of the loop.

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      Falcons to hire Stefanski

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      Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't pay critical attention to anyone but the Panthers, but I will do research on occasion and keep abreast of the NFL in general. Certain things pique my interest, like why results are at odds with what some people are trying to sell. As for your question, It's not that they were literally out of position, but more about scheme fit and play calling. Baker didn't believe that Stefanski was supportive enough.  Hopefully this isn't behind a paywall for you. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/01/browns-qb-baker-mayfield-must-resolve-his-differences-with-kevin-stefanski-soon-in-case-they-need-to-co-exist-next-season-mary-kay-cabot.html Now I'm sure that you already know about all the OBJ drama. Unfortunately paywalls are a thing, but here is a direct quote from NFL.com and Kevin Patra: "Stefanski's scheme also didn't play to OBJ's strength. The timing offense predicated on wideouts being at a specific spot and the QB reading the progression negated some of what made Beckham a star in New York." https://www.nfl.com/news/browns-planning-to-release-wr-odell-beckham In general, some fans---not all---think that Stefanski's offense minimizes receivers' production, pointing to several pairings, OBJ and Jarvis Landry most notably. And, to be honest, the dropoffs in production kinda speak to that.  Like you've said, him and Watson had tensions. Whatever you think of Watson as a person, his play regressed. He went from one of the best to one of the worst. Sure, it all could've just been mental or Karma, but more than a few thought that Watson's shotgun style would not work with Stefanskics zone-wide scheme, and it didn't. My thing is, that HCs shouldn't least be willing to do some  identifying of problems and strengths, and do at least a little compromising and adapting instead of being so indebted to their scheme that they continue to showcase failure as opposed to trying something different. I just might have higher expectations of what I call a good coach. Sure, all failed coaches have excuses, many that are legitimate, but for me you just can't be stubborn. Real coaching is about adapting for me. You must at least try to adapt to the situation, to your personnel, and to your opponent.  Perhaps Stefanski can do these things, but for me it's way too early to be giving him the label "good" or "great" based upon his body of work. In my mind, he's wasted some pretty good defenses due to lack of offensive creativity.
    • ProcessBlue2
      Falcons to hire Stefanski

      By ProcessBlue2 · Posted

      They have about 30,000,000 which is middle of the pack and not a lot of flexibility to restructure more cap. They also have notable free agents to try to resign. -Kaden Elliss -Kyle Pitts -Elijah Wilkinson -Arnold Ebiketie -Leonard Floyd -David Onyemata -Dee Alford -Tyler Allgeier Oh and no first round pick. Bucs will implode next year, Falcons will be rebuilding. It will be us and the Saints fighting it out.
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      That defensive line is fine, they don't have the players behind them at LB to be really really good against the run.    Pff also have his stats wrong, they gave him less sacks, less pressures and less QB hits than any other service or what the NFL officially gave Burns. 
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