Would kenyon sadiq fill 2 needs?

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5 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I don't think you can compare any of those guys to Sidiq. Like none of them demand coverage. None of them are anything before or after the catch. Sidiq is. At the 19th getting an elite player at one aspect of anything is rare. Can you find starters at 19 absolutely. But can you find the fastest player ever at the position at 19? No that would be a blessing. 

If he is so desirable, trade out of the pick and set ourselves up to get the overall team straight. Get your explosive from later speedy WR. Or not. 

We have done enough loading up with high pick receiving options for a guy that may not throw 20 balls a game. 
 

If you want to get Anything out of that QB you have to protect him. Having all the receivers in the world is wasted without that. 
 

ps besides, if you want more receiving with this guy we have at QB it is better to look at getting it from the RB position. 

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[firefox1234]

I really can’t stress enough how bad this offense could look next season with Rico likely gone. Not just cause my faith in Bryce is low but we have so few chain movers outside of Tmac things could look brutal….maybe Dan and Dave sort it out in FA but I doubt it.

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3 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

I really can’t stress enough how bad this offense could look next season with Rico likely gone. Not just cause my faith in Bryce is low but we have so few chain movers outside of Tmac things could look brutal….maybe Dan and Dave sort it out in FA but I doubt it.

I would think RB is high on their list. I think we need a bowling ball that can catch. Like Tolbert. 
Young throws so many balls near the LOS you could get a lot out of the right RB.  

[Tr3ach]

Hes been one of my top targets for pick 19 for a while now.  Unfortunately I think he goes a few picks before us though.

[micnificent28]

8 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

I really can’t stress enough how bad this offense could look next season with Rico likely gone. Not just cause my faith in Bryce is low but we have so few chain movers outside of Tmac things could look brutal….maybe Dan and Dave sort it out in FA but I doubt it.

I look at this the Opposite. From a talent perspective i think we are Better. IF* and I say this as a if because health permitted. Brooks is better than rico and he's better than Chubba. He would be the most talented running back we have had since Jonathan Stewart. He's big fast catches runs breaks tackles he's a true RB1 when he's healthy. I think for that reason alone you don't spend on Rico if anything maybe some older veteran in free agency

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[micnificent28]

3 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

Hes been one of my top targets for pick 19 for a while now.  Unfortunately I think he goes a few picks before us though.

Probably I feel the same way just don't understand the sentiment of if he's on the board let's trade down or he's not worth it ignore trade out if this guy is there

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13 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I think like lingering issues. You don't want Jonathan Brooks part 2 where you hold your breath Everytime he goes down. I am not a doctor but I don't think it's a will never be the same like degenerative thing like ACLs can be 

I was looking for lingering at 35, or 25. Because if 35 that isn’t a big consideration for a 25 year old football player. Or however old Icky is. 
It’s okay if you don’t know, I am not demanding you give me a definite answer… you just provided the info that someone else maybe could have added some better context to 

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1 minute ago, micnificent28 said:

Probably I feel the same way just don't understand the sentiment of if he's on the board let's trade down or he's not worth it ignore trade out if this guy is there

The context is, we still need multiple starters and we have more issues than decent picks. 

 

[micnificent28]

7 minutes ago, strato said:

I was looking for lingering at 35, or 25. Because if 35 that isn’t a big consideration for a 25 year old football player. Or however old Icky is. 
It’s okay if you don’t know, I am not demanding you give me a definite answer… you just provided the info that someone else maybe could have added some better context to 

To add context. I Think it's worse today like if two people had both injuries at the same time. One ACL the other ruptured patellar.  Like you would be worse off trying to live regular life in the short term with ruptured patellar getting around. But I haven't seen where it's always wearing down and the risk of aggravating it and reinjuring it are as high as say a ACL. 

Also I don't think the recovery time is as long as an ACL injury.

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15 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I look at this the Opposite. From a talent perspective i think we are Better. IF* and I say this as a if because health permitted. Brooks is better than rico and he's better than Chubba. He would be the most talented running back we have had since Jonathan Stewart. He's big fast catches runs breaks tackles he's a true RB1 when he's healthy. I think for that reason alone you don't spend on Rico if anything maybe some older veteran in free agency

Brooks … was that but may no longer be that. After 2 ACLs he is a lottery ticket. We don’t know.  If we ever did. 
If we want to be secure in what we can put at RB, we are gonna have to address it as if he isn’t there. 
Let’s say we do address it successfully and he shines and then we are overcrowded. Trade deadline, someone can move out. 

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5 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

To add context. I Think it's worse today like if two people had both injuries at the same time. One ACL the other ruptured patellar.  Like you would be worse off trying to live regular life in the short term with ruptured patellar getting around. But I haven't seen where it's always wearing down and the risk of aggravating it and reinjuring it are as high as say a ACL. 

Also I don't think the recovery time is as long as an ACL injury.

You are confusing me now with the 2 at the same time stuff.
 

The question we should be asking is simply what are his prospects 2-4 years down the road?  Does this prevent him from returning to his pre injury level or will it leave him degraded? And if yes then how much? 
In a best case we may be able to get a handle on that by November/December, if he heals up cleanly and rehabs with no setbacks. Which is helpful for next year and maybe beyond. 
 

[PleaseCutStewart]

Much like RB, I don't think you draft TE in the top 25 unless they are elite level that will be great day 1 in the NFL. I don't think that is Sadiq.

Yes, he showed elite athleticism at the combine, but not sure it really showed up on tape at Oregon. Still worried about how many games he disappeared in last season, if he will be able to block in the NFL (practically all of his blocking was in the spread formation against smaller guys), his drops, and his route running.

He's definitely somebody that can become elite in the NFL, but athleticism alone won't get you there. The hype Sadiq is getting off of his combine results reminds me of the hype Evan Engram got. So I guess the question is... Would you draft Sadiq at 19 if he put up similar career numbers to Evan Engram?

[micnificent28]

12 minutes ago, strato said:

You are confusing me now with the 2 at the same time stuff.
 

The question we should be asking is simply what are his prospects 2-4 years down the road?  Does this prevent him from returning to his pre injury level or will it leave him degraded? And if yes then how much? 
In a best case we may be able to get a handle on that by November/December, if he heals up cleanly and rehabs with no setbacks. Which is helpful for next year and maybe beyond. 
 

Okay so I'm gonna slow down and just talk about the ickey injury. Since I'm not a doctor I asked chatgpt if I was a NFL which injury would you rather have.

[micnificent28]

3 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Much like RB, I don't think you draft TE in the top 25 unless they are elite level that will be great day 1 in the NFL. I don't think that is Sadiq.

Yes, he showed elite athleticism at the combine, but not sure it really showed up on tape at Oregon. Still worried about how many games he disappeared in last season, if he will be able to block in the NFL (practically all of his blocking was in the spread formation against smaller guys), his drops, and his route running.

He's definitely somebody that can become elite in the NFL, but athleticism alone won't get you there. The hype Sadiq is getting off of his combine results reminds me of the hype Evan Engram got. So I guess the question is... Would you draft Sadiq at 19 if he put up similar career numbers to Evan Engram?

So the fact that he was already projected in the first round says he is an elite talent by your argument. This is before the combine numbers. He was already a first round lock that says elite tight end by your measurement. Is he some blocking type player no.. but he is in the Pitts territory of elite H back split type guy. His blocking also isn't as bad as your making it out to be he shows effort and adequate ability. He isn't Sadiq "the freak" for any reason. He's been on NFL radars since before the season.

How many "Freaks" or elite athletes do the Panthers have on their roster? You need game changing guys to put odds in your favor I think. Outside McMillan or Brown I say 0 and even McMillan might not qualify because his size is the only thing elite. He doesn't run 4.3 with 42 plus vertical like this kid, after the combine we would be lucky if he is on the board like what are we even talking about?