Canales doesn't sound all the way sold on Bryce

[OldhamA]

13 hours ago, TD alt said:

For all the good feelings about Bryce Young, when you read between the lines, it's what DC says and doesn't say that makes us know that Bryce hasn't necessarily been the supercomputer that they thought he would be. This season, Bryce has to make a tangible progression on the field.

"A big part of it is being able to operate at the line of scrimmage — not in the huddle — when we want to, and he’s certainly capable of that," Canales said about Young. "It’s not solely on him. It’s a group that’s pretty young. You have to trust all the guys to go up there, communicate verbally or nonverbally and execute what we’re doing. We’ve made huge strides in that regard. His ability to alter things based on what they’re giving you will give us another edge, which he’s continued to grow and had some great examples down the stretch where he identified things they were doing, got us to the right check and capitalized on some plays. Want to see him do that more when it’s appropriate. We don’t need to be changing things just to change it."

The implications, perhaps insinuations, are pretty evident. Bryce is just going to have to do better.

"And then for Bryce, it’s the identification of early on the cues that the defense are giving us, to be able to eliminate parts of your progression before the ball’s even snapped. That happens with time. I’ve seen quarterbacks really own and master, which allows them to play lightning fast."

Obviously Bryce isn't necessarily picking things up as fast as Canales would like, and I can only assume that Canales is making comparisons to Russell Wilson, Geno Smith and Baker Mayfield. But, of course, not everyone picks things up at the same rate. Bryce's pace has left Canales wanting for more. During the coming season, I don't believe that it will be good enough for Bryce to start putting things together in December, evidence of the light switch being on is going to have to show itself in September.

Basically, it's really the moment that we've all been waiting for, the one that we thought should've happened earlier, the one that brings Bryce's accountability in the spotlight.

On an off note, perhaps to that end, we should consider the possible implications upon the draft, but that's another story. Basically, it's time for Bryce to sh¡t or get off the pot.

https://roundtable.io/sports/nfl/panthers/news/carolina-panthers-dave-canales-holds-nothing-back-on-bryce-young-in-new-interview

He's been constipated on the pot for three years.

[OldhamA]

13 hours ago, strato said:

I read that but didn’t take it as an indictment. Maybe it is. 
Tbis is what I took heart in seeing.Actual acknowledgement of his inconsistency:

"Based on our conversations, his excitement for what we have and where we are and the steps we were able to take last year," Canales said. "But also knowing that moments in different games, it wasn’t our best. Can we be at our best at all times?"

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It's not an indictment, sadly, because they only brought in Pickett to compete with him - an awful QB.

Actions speak louder than words - they've never brought in any sort of competition for Young during his 4 seasons here. He's the guy until Tepper tells them otherwise I fear.

[TLGPanthersFan]

 

12 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

He literally said he loves Bruce, and expects him to improve.  

Of course if he doesn't hell be replaced...but Coach gave his full support. You are twisting the narrative to fit your perspective. 

Same for you Bryce Truthers. Bryce is not a good QB. The coaches know this. But if they don’t and they strap this team with a QB like Bruce for 4 more year they need to be fired. 

[strato]

Well, it is his to lose. They are on a path to pay him unless he really fugs up this year.
 

Maybe we can get ourselves into a Coker/XL situation somehow, Bryce being XL in this scenario. Find ourselves a Coker. 

[jb2288]

He’s a pro coach, of course he isn’t sold on Bryce. I’d be worried if he was 

[frankw]

17 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

I dont think any of them are completely sold on bryce yet. 

Unfortunately this is more wishful thinking than anything. The problem is the bar is so low for what they consider success for Bryce Young.

I mean we have yet to field even a top 25 passing offense with Bryce Young heading into his fourth season and it's basically considered a when not if we begin contract extension talks with him.

Edited 2 hours ago by frankw

[Sup]

15 hours ago, TD alt said:

That may be true, but if he is as bad as you say, then they shouldn't have exercised his option. Arguably under those circumstances, we must be chasing a sunk cost.

I wouldn't have picked up the option, to me he's that replaceable. I think the Panthers are taking a more cautious strategy, not ready to move on yet but also holding off on committing to him until the last possible time. 

Basically, he's a competent NFL QB. He's bottom third in the league. That's actually not a terrible thing. You can win some with a bottom third QB. If over time he takes a few steps forward he might be a median level QB. I think those are the kinds of steps that Canales is talking about.

If you've truly got a median level QB, it's probably worth keeping him as opposed to roll on the dice in the draft. But just to be super clear, I don't think he is capable of taking those steps, and I think we should and will move on after the season

[frankw]

13 minutes ago, frankw said:

Unfortunately this is more wishful thinking than anything. The problem is the bar is so low for what they consider success for Bryce Young.

I mean we have yet to field even a top 25 passing offense with Bryce Young heading into his fourth season and it's basically considered a when not if we begin contract extension talks with him.

To rub salt in the wound when you look back to what were considered some of the most underwhelming resulting seasons in Panthers history before the Tepper's came along we still managed a top 20 passing offense with journeyman Matt Moore and the ghost of Jake Delhomme in 2009. And Steve Smith was 44th in the league in YAC so it was not a chunk play pass offense. Obviously the run game was dominant with Jonathan Stewart and Deangelo Wiliams but comparatively the run game in 2009 only amassed 500 more rushing yards than the 2025 Panthers in a down year for Chuba Hubbard. It shows just how comically desperate we have become to adjust standards that actually used to mean something.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, Sup said:

I wouldn't have picked up the option, to me he's that replaceable. I think the Panthers are taking a more cautious strategy, not ready to move on yet but also holding off on committing to him until the last possible time. 

Basically, he's a competent NFL QB. He's bottom third in the league. That's actually not a terrible thing. You can win some with a bottom third QB. If over time he takes a few steps forward he might be a median level QB. I think those are the kinds of steps that Canales is talking about.

If you've truly got a median level QB, it's probably worth keeping him as opposed to roll on the dice in the draft. But just to be super clear, I don't think he is capable of taking those steps, and I think we should and will move on after the season

Why would you want to try and win with a bottom 3rd qb?

[Pejorative Miscreant]

29 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Why would you want to try and win with a bottom 3rd qb?

You’re not gonna like my answer. Hell, I don’t like it either but it is what I suspect is happening.  

They’re trying to win with him cause they gave up so much to get him that they need to be absolutely sure he is not capable of taking the next step.  That’s it. 
If he was a 3rd or 4th round pick the experiment would have been over long ago IMO. 

[Jon Snow]

16 minutes ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

You’re not gonna like my answer. Hell, I don’t like it either but it is what I suspect is happening.  

They’re trying to win with him cause they gave up so much to get him that they need to be absolutely sure he is not capable of taking the next step.  That’s it. 
If he was a 3rd or 4th round pick the experiment would have been over long ago IMO. 

This is the correct answer. They are also going to make sure they do not repeat the Darnold and Mayfield mistakes with another first round pick. They are committed to seeing this through. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Honestly, this is pretty alarming stuff. The things Canales is talking about Bryce needing to do better at were the exact reasons why Bryce was drafted. Bryce was never going to be the prototypical 6'5" 240 rocket launcher arm guy. He was supposed to be able to make up for his physical shortcomings by being a "superprocessor with a PG mentality". Now here is Canales basically saying that he has to become a better processor and learn to play with a PG mentality. Honestly, this feels like starting to build your case for why we need to move on at QB.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, this is pretty alarming stuff. The things Canales is talking about Bryce needing to do better at were the exact reasons why Bryce was drafted. Bryce was never going to be the prototypical 6'5" 240 rocket launcher arm guy. He was supposed to be able to make up for his physical shortcomings by being a "superprocessor with a PG mentality". Now here is Canales basically saying that he has to become a better processor and learn to play with a PG mentality. Honestly, this feels like starting to build your case for why we need to move on at QB.

Steph curry!!!!!!11111!!!!!111

[strato]

12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, this is pretty alarming stuff. The things Canales is talking about Bryce needing to do better at were the exact reasons why Bryce was drafted. Bryce was never going to be the prototypical 6'5" 240 rocket launcher arm guy. He was supposed to be able to make up for his physical shortcomings by being a "superprocessor with a PG mentality". Now here is Canales basically saying that he has to become a better processor and learn to play with a PG mentality. Honestly, this feels like starting to build your case for why we need to move on at QB.

He has long ago ceased to offer hope he was ever worthy of the 1.1.  Now it is just, can he be mid?