Mayock and Mora Jr. Say Panthers Need QB With #1 Pick

[TheRealDeal]

Mayock compared him to Big Ben, so you should shoot him an E-mail and tell him how you feel about that.:rolleyes:

I just said he could be compared to anyone who succeeded. Should I email him my support of the comparison?

[Kakarot]

I'm okay with Gabbert or Newton, and I hope the Panthers are thinking along these lines as well. I dont agree with this whole "bring in a stop-gap QB, and draft a QB next year", because I dont think we're going to have an opportunity at Luck or Barkley next year.

[monstercat]

I just said he could be compared to anyone who succeeded. Should I email him my support of the comparison?

And you weren't being sarcastic?

[Swarly]

I just said he could be compared to anyone who succeeded. Should I email him my support of the comparison?

the second you compare him to the countless other great athletes that need a lot of work but in the end failed you're labeled a hater on this forum

[MIAbound]

one of Cams strengths IS accuracy, denying that is lack of knowledge

[Urrymonster]

Of course those players get better in the NFL...so do QB's. How does that prove that Cam can't make plays in the league? My God, even Mayock says that Cam is a top ten talent. Do you think he's saying that just for the hell of it?

Of course he is a great prospect and I wouldn't be too bothered if we drafted him as it indicates that our coaching staff think he can make the transition.

What bothers me is people are focusing on the wrong things with him. His running will be much more limited as he is more of a power runner than elusive, showing he can break arm tackles etc. That won't happen in the NFL unless one on one in the secondary (or poor tackling LBs). His escapability will be scaled back as the DEs and DTs will be able to wrap him up a little better.

I am not refuting he can't get better, just pointing out his physical advantage he has in college will be non-existent in the Pros. Therefore he will only have longevity in the league if he can do the things that pro QBs do, which is complex pre-snap reads and post snap progressions. Work on his footwork, which for a QB used to bailing on the pocket to run is actually a big deal (when in the pocket his footwork is as if he is out of it).

He really cna throw it long, but most of them are single coverage throws where the WR has 2-3 cushion, he just needs to throw it in front of the runner. Show me some intermediate throws where he has to find the throwing lane between linebackers, or the timing routes. He just has hardly shown any of that, if at all. That is the major concern.

As it is, the long ball SHOULD have been open as the opposing defences were afraid of him as a runner, so the deep ball would have been on time and again. He really had it about as easy as it can get when throwing due to his threat as a runner (which wont be as successful in the Pros).

Basically, half of what he does, will not translate at the next level. The major factors he has to prove, are the most important aspects for a Pro QB. That said, if he can learn them, he could be fantastic.

In my opinion, for what it's worth, there is a lot of if's and but's with him as a prospect, serious gamble. Good mechanics, poor footwork. Great arm, no proof of complex throws. Great competitor and worker, no proof of reading defences. Great athlete, might not translate to the Pros.

[brandon_87]

It's arguable that this may be the first draft in which we should just move all the numbers back one and get rid of the #1 label. For instance, we pick #2, DEN #3, etc. lol.

None of these guys really are worth the #1 pick. It sucks.

I agree with you 100%

You could make an argument there's no DL worth it either.

There is nobody in this draft worth top 5 money period, no matter what posistion they play. This year has got to be THE worst year for a top pick in recent history

[Catalyst]

BEAST

Motherf***** he throws a nice deep ball. I think that's one of the reasons we're so interested in him since we're going for a vertical passing game.

And yeah, people say there aren't any QB's worth the 1st pick? There aren't ANY players worth the 1st pick! This being the case, you might as well take the player who has the highest ceiling and most potential, even if he is a huge risk.

I'm so sick of playing it safe with the QB position. It's gotten us nowhere. I'd rather take a chance on getting a franchise QB than go the "safe" route and get another Pro Bowler whose talent is wasted because we don't have a QB who can get us to that next level.

Even if he's a bust, at least we tried. We take a DL and they end up being good, what difference does it really make if we don't have that guy at QB? Absolutely none. I accept the risk Cam represents and I think Hurney & Rivera will do the same when it's all said and done.

[raleigh-panther]

Of course he is a great prospect and I wouldn't be too bothered if we drafted him as it indicates that our coaching staff think he can make the transition. What bothers me is people are focusing on the wrong things with him. His running will be much more limited as he is more of a power runner than elusive, showing he can break arm tackles etc. That won't happen in the NFL....I am not refuting he can't get better, just pointing out his physical advantage he has in college will be non-existent in the Pros....longevity in the league if he can do the things that pro QBs do, which is complex pre-snap reads and post snap progressions. Work on his footwork, which for a QB used to bailing on the pocket to run is actually a big deal (when in the pocket his footwork is as if he is out of it).

....He really cna throw it long, but most of them are single coverage throws where the WR has 2-3 cushion, he just needs to throw it in front of the runner. Show me some intermediate throws where he has to find the throwing lane between linebackers, or the timing routes. He just has hardly shown any of that, if at all. That is the major concern....Basically, half of what he does, will not translate at the next level. The major factors he has to prove, are the most important aspects for a Pro QB. That said, if he can learn them, he could be fantastic....In my opinion, for what it's worth, there is a lot of if's and but's with him as a prospect, serious gamble. Good mechanics, poor footwork. Great arm, no proof of complex throws. Great competitor and worker, no proof of reading defences. Great athlete, might not translate to the Pros.

You make a lot of good points about Newton.

He is a mixed bag and our team will have to decide if that bag is half empty or half full.

I just hear people say:

1. 'make a trade', for whom? using what?

2. 'pick up a free agent veteran' have these people even looked at the free agent list?

3. we can draft Luck, this person, that person, in 2012...ok, what makes anyone think that we will be in position to draft anyone in 2012 at that level?

4. Jimmy Clausen may improve, yes, and I might win the lottery too. Possible, certainly, probable, low to medium. He does not seem to have the size, speed, composure to get through a NFL season, again, I liked the boy in college, I have no axe to grind with him.

5. the ever popular, 'trade down'. Sure, ok, what team. That happens very very rarely anymore.

The net is, the Panthers either roll the dice on QBs in this draft, settle for mediocre again with Clausen, or pick up some Vet retread, and from seeing the list, there is not much to chose from.

In this league, right now, with no QB, a team has nothing, so, go ahead, Hurney, draft that DT or DE, and the panthers can be maybe slightly below average again next year and the year after... anything more than a 4-12 season, kiss everybody's dreams of Luck goodbye.

We passed on Rodgers for Thomas Davis. Davis is a good linebacker. Rodgers, a fabulous QB. We passed on Flacco.

We made absolutely zero moves to improve the QB position, until desperate times and measures, the #2 pick for Clausen.

I wonder, if it ever occurred to anyone in our front office why everyone passed him by, not once, some twice....apparently, it didn't as they were desperately trying to find a trading partner to give away this year's #1 to move up and ensure getting him...fantastic, great.

It is somewhat ironic to think that the GM who put us in this place, to begin with, is the person making the decision...I know, with input of course. People are sold on Hurney, I'm not. The most important position in the league is QB. He failed just as Fox did by not securing that by all means necessary knowing that Delhomme's elbow was shot.

[MadHatter]

one of Cams strengths IS accuracy, denying that is lack of knowledge

I thought so too....but his combine performance provided evidence to the contrary.

[MadHatter]

Again, IF the staff believes either Cam or Gabbert are franchise guys that they can build a team around.....draft them.

If they don't think either are that elite guy....you would be stupid to reach just to draft a QB.

A lot of work on these two guys will occur in the next couple of months.

I trust Rivera and team do make rhe right call....not for the excitement factor, not for any other reason than they think he is the guy to lead us to many wins.

[DaCityKats]

im on the qb train, and right now i could careless which one.

[brandon_87]

im on the qb train, and right now i could careless which one.

A lot of people said that last year and look what happened...:ee::yikes::sad::hand::conf::cuss::out::icon_bs:

be careful what you wish for!

[monstercat]

A lot of people said that last year and look what happened...:ee::yikes::sad::hand::conf::cuss::out::icon_bs:

be careful what you wish for!

Yeah, but if we would have had the 1st round pick last year, we would probably have Sam Bradford right now and nobody would be worrying about how we're gonna find a franchise QB.