NFL Exec.: Cam Would Be Clear-Cut #1, If He Were White (And Other Valuable Nuggets)

[panthers55]

One of the interesting tidbits is that analysts spend so much time discussing footwork and taking snaps versus the shotgun in regards to being successful or a bust.. I was listening to Rich Gannon the other morning and he said that those kind of things are not the big problems scouts and analysts make them out to be. He said that leadership, intangibles, and being good under pressure were what made quarterbacks great or busts. He said learning the footwork and reading defenses was what quarterback coaches were there for. But if a Qb doesn't have the leadership skills and the intangibles, it didn't matter how long they were in the league it wouldn't get much better.

[teeray]

Clausen had character concerns but everyone pretty much raved about his intelligence. Russell had same wonderlic score and had his intelligence questioned by nearly everyone.

[Mr. Scot]

There wasn't a mention in there that McCoy would have difficulty learning an NFL offense or reading an NFL defense only that he hadn't played in one.

Does Newton's actually say that? (link)

[teeray]

Only one link doesn't cut it Scot. There are other draftniks besides Narwocki.

[panthers55]

I don't know that it's as much "happier with who we have" - nobody is that - as it is having less faith in the rookie prospects available (something which is a perfectly valid point of view).

You can't have it both ways. If you don't like the rookie choices, don't like who we have, and don't really think we can hit a homerun in FA, then by doing nothing you are settling for more of the same.

If you aren't happy with who we have, don't want to put all your eggs in the FA basket, then you take a shot in the draft if you think either Newton or Gabbert will be better than Clausen or Moore.

I think all of us would like Luck in the draft or have 1 guy who is a homerun. The difference is that I am willing to take the best guy we can while others are still holding out for who knows what.

[Mr. Scot]

And if I remember correctly Scot that was the closest I got to questioning his ability to "learning" nfl offenses or reading defenses. In my admittingly quick research the other day.

What does it say about Freeman on ESPN? A guy who ran a pro style offense and had essentially rhe same wonderlic as peyton manning.

Freeman...

Has everything a coach could desire physically, possessing all the tools to develop into an elite passer. Performance tailed off as a junior with a poor supporting cast, but most of his flaws are correctable and his overall skill set will excite good NFL QB coaches.

For comparison, The Golden Calf of Bristol...

Operated out of a simplified passing game that seldom required working through progressions and often allowed predetermined 1-2 reads to be made. Is too jittery when he is forced to cycle through his reads and tends to run at the second flash of coverage or force the ball. Footwork will require considerable refinement. Not a decisive triggerman. Not a natural passer. Will require significant development time.

And Chase Daniel...

Most reads are predetermined and he struggles when he is forced to move through progressions or throw the long ball. Too streaky and can go in the tank when he gets out of rhythm. Struggled versus better competition and fell apart late in the season.

[Mr. Scot]

You can't have it both ways. If you don't like the rookie choices, don't like who we have, and don't really think we can hit a homerun in FA, then by doing nothing you are settling for more of the same.

If you aren't happy with who we have, don't want to put all your eggs in the FA basket, then you take a shot in the draft if you think either Newton or Gabbert will be better than Clausen or Moore.

I think all of us would like Luck in the draft or have 1 guy who is a homerun. The difference is that I am willing to take the best guy we can while others are still holding out for who knows what.

I'm not that big a fan of the free agent choices either, but I'd take them over the rookies.

I've said many times it's a lousy year to need a quarterback.

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It's funny, because the white Cam Newton from last years draft didn't go until the 25th pick (when another QB did go 1st overall.)

AND he supposedly had better character and top notch work ethic.

[Mr. Scot]

Only one link doesn't cut it Scot. There are other draftniks besides Narwocki.

You'd have to tell me who you're talking about then, but it has to come from a reputable source.

If it's Mayock, Brandt, Gosselin or someone of that caliber saying it, then I'd care.

If it's one of the lesser guys or just some random draft site, I don't really care much what they have to say for positive or negative.

[teeray]

Is that from ESPN Scot?? If so paste the whole thing.

[teeray]

On Freeman.

[panthers55]

I'm not that big a fan of the free agent choices either, but I'd take them over the rookies.

I've said many times it's a lousy year to need a quarterback.

I certainly understand your position and as you say it is a valid one. I don't happen to agree and that is a valid opinion as well. I trust that Hurney has done the work he needs to do and that in the end whoever we pick will be a good choice.

[Mr. Scot]

Is that from ESPN Scot?? If so paste the whole thing.

No, those are transcribed from old PFW previews.

(in other words, no link; cut and pasted from another thread and I'm not getting the book back out and typing again; buy it yourself) :lol:

I don't follow Kiper or McShay much. Occasionally, but they're "lower tier" to me, especially McShay.

[panthers55]

It's funny, because the white Cam Newton from last years draft didn't go until the 25th pick (when another QB did go 1st overall.)

AND he supposedly had better character and top notch work ethic.

The Golden Calf of Bristol was nowhere close in skill level to Newton. The Golden Calf of Bristol had a lot more to overcome talent wise but had nowhere near the character issues that Newton does. They are not that close in comparison really.

I am sure it is worth it's own thread but the worse thing that happened to The Golden Calf of Bristol is Fox going there if he doesn't work with The Golden Calf of Bristol to develop him into a starting QB. He didn't really do much to develop any guy we had on the roster except for Moore.