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Chud's Bible (Playbook)

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mav1234 Grand Master

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Derek Anderson ran it with success in Cleveland one year, and he had a Wonderlic of 19.

yes well, he blew the next year running it, so who knows if it was the probowl running back, receiver, and tight end, or the actual playbook, or what... We also don't know what his playbook was like then compared to now exactly. A lot can change after you spend some time with Norv Turner. Ultimately though my concern is not how quick Cam learns the playbook but how well he can execute the timing and tight window, mid-range passes that this offense required in Cleveland. Maybe it won't here.

IMO if Cams the pick its cause he comprehended Chuds playbook the best out of the Three QBs. IMHO I think Newton is allot smarter than most give him credit for.

I don't think Cam is stupid at all and I think that you are right that they are sure he can handle the playbook just fine if they draft him.

The thing is, you don't need to be all that smart to get a playbook down, though I'm sure it helps. I don't think I heard people claim Marino didn't know plays well, but that was so long ago maybe he didn't.

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yes well, he blew the next year running it, so who knows if it was the probowl running back, receiver, and tight end, or the actual playbook, or what... We also don't know what his playbook was like then compared to now exactly. A lot can change after you spend some time with Norv Turner. Ultimately though my concern is not how quick Cam learns the playbook but how well he can execute the timing and tight window, mid-range passes that this offense required in Cleveland. Maybe it won't here.

Given that he worked with Cameron (another Norv guy) his first time in San Diego, his book in Cleveland isn't probably too drastically different than what he's brought with him this time, maybe a little more fine tuned.

If this truly is a concern, then Chud may want to consult Norv. Turner faced this same dilemma 10 years ago with Vick and his playbook. Turner wasn't confident in Vick's abilities to run his offense, paving the way for the pre-draft trade with Atlanta.

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probably because he had a below average Wonderlic, but there's a lot more that goes into learning plays etc than that.

there's also the auburn offense, which... well, yeah.

edit: for instance, many around here point out how you can't consider Cam's first 6 games as representative of Auburn's offense or how he can play in an offense because he had yet to really grasp the playbook well enough to run the complete offense.

actually, he had an average wonderlic score. his wonderlic was decent and shouldn't be looked down upon.

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probably because he had a below average Wonderlic, but there's a lot more that goes into learning plays etc than that.

there's also the auburn offense, which... well, yeah.

edit: for instance, many around here point out how you can't consider Cam's first 6 games as representative of Auburn's offense or how he can play in an offense because he had yet to really grasp the playbook well enough to run the complete offense.

actually, he had an average wonderlic score. his wonderlic was decent and shouldn't be looked down upon.

Exactly. Teams install plays through preseason and the regular season based on what they see and and what works depending on the personnel available. There is a difference between the playbook and installing a gameplan for a particular opponent. Players need to eventually learn the whole playbook but it is very normal to simplify it for a rookie or first year player. As you say there are basic sets and plays and variations of each one.

said it better than I.. I imagine Chud will mix and match, especially involving rollouts to take advantage of his athletic ability and give him some time to find receivers. This actually gets me excited to have Chud here as our OC after hearing plays will involve more shifts and motions. This should help our QB anyhow. This is poo that Fox and/or Davidson could not implement into our offense, for some strange reason.

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actually, he had an average wonderlic score. his wonderlic was decent and shouldn't be looked down upon.

incorrect. his score was below average for the quarterback position. not a big deal.

"decent" can still be below average. doesn't mean he's going to fail or anyone should think he's stupid, but his wonderlic was below average for a QB.

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yes well, he blew the next year running it, so who knows if it was the probowl running back, receiver, and tight end, or the actual playbook, or what... We also don't know what his playbook was like then compared to now exactly. A lot can change after you spend some time with Norv Turner. Ultimately though my concern is not how quick Cam learns the playbook but how well he can execute the timing and tight window, mid-range passes that this offense required in Cleveland. Maybe it won't here.

I don't think Cam is stupid at all and I think that you are right that they are sure he can handle the playbook just fine if they draft him.

The thing is, you don't need to be all that smart to get a playbook down, though I'm sure it helps. I don't think I heard people claim Marino didn't know plays well, but that was so long ago maybe he didn't.

Really depends on the system. IDK what type of offense the dolphins ran but the difference in two systems means the world. This is why some teams can start QBs right away and others need there QBs to sit. Its the difference in Mike Martz system and Norv Turners. One works well with a Vet and the other works with a Rookie. Thats not set in stone but its the general consensus.

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Really depends on the system. IDK what type of offense the dolphins ran but the difference in two systems means the world. This is why some teams can start QBs right away and others need there QBs to sit. Its the difference in Mike Martz system and Norv Turners. One works well with a Vet and the other works with a Rookie. Thats not set in stone but its the general consensus.

Recent consensus seems to be that Chud's system does NOT work well with a rookie, but I guess we'll see.

You are totally right that some systems are easier than others for rookies to learn.

We won't really know - it's very, very possible that if Chud is sold that Newton gave us the best chance to win he'd completely tailor the offense to him from Day 1.

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I just said this in another thread but the QB's we are considering have been given a version of the playbook. The coaches will evaluate their ability to grasp it. If they can't then we won't draft them. Really good idea if you ask me.

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Recent consensus seems to be that Chud's system does NOT work well with a rookie, but I guess we'll see.

You are totally right that some systems are easier than others for rookies to learn.

We won't really know - it's very, very possible that if Chud is sold that Newton gave us the best chance to win he'd completely tailor the offense to him from Day 1.

I like Newton, but IMO he should not start this year no matter what system he has. He needs to learn under a good OC and QB coach before he takes the field Period. Most of his college career he has had coaches use his athletics more than his brain. If you can get those two working together you will have a great QB.

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