Can someone shed some light on this idea that Newton is dumb?

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How many of those guys came out of pro style systems in college?

Mike Vick, Josh Freeman, Jason Campbell, Jamarcus Russell, and Akili Smith all came from pretty traditional offenses.

Why didn't Bradford, Alex Smith, Rex Grossman, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler, Colt McCoy etc. not face similar questions about their intelligence??

[teeray]

Gabbert was asked about the transition to a pro-style offense by Jon Gruden, and he answered pretty well. Newton got asked the same kind of question and answered back with "uuuummm...wow...you're kind of putting me on the spot."

Can I pull a Scot and say "Know how I know you didn't watch the special? :nonod:

[tiger7_88]

Racism or not, the hate for this kid is just unbelievable. Hell, a big chunk of our own fanbase will be happy if he fails because they hate Cam more than they love the Panthers.

Its obvious from a couple (or more) in this very thread.

Ol' Coach Genius above is SO looking forward to all his "I told you so, look I'm a genius!" moments, don't you think?

Unfortunately for him, it ain't gonna happen like that.

[tiger7_88]

He's not dumb, he did come from a simple offense

The offense he came from was not simple.

The offense he came from did, however, use a simple method to call plays.

[tiger7_88]

he stole another student's paper and turned it in and then purchased another paper off the internet and turned it in. i'm not saying he's "dumb" but i don't know any smart people that have done that.

Oh really? And what evidence do you provide that the accusation you just made is true?

Newton has denied it.

The University of Florida has denied it.

So how have you (in your fine detective work, I'm sure) discovered something that both sides of an issue have denied ever happened?

[Mr. Scot]

Mike Vick, Josh Freeman, Jason Campbell, Jamarcus Russell, and Akili Smith all came from pretty traditional offenses.

Why didn't Bradford, Alex Smith, Rex Grossman, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler, Colt McCoy etc. not face similar questions about their intelligence??

Know how I know you haven't read the scouting profiles?

These are copied directly from the PFW draft previews of the past few years.

Sam Bradford

Has not played much under center, operating heavily out of the shotgun, nor has he made pro-style NFL reads in OU's simplified offense.

Colt McCoy

Played in an overly simplified offense that did not force the QB to learn the position and needs to be trained in the mechanics of dropping back from under center.

Joe Flacco

Could need some adjustment time to taking snaps from under center...could take some time to adapt to an NFL style offense where he has to look off receivers and fit the ball into tight windows.

Kevin Kolb

Has played in the same offense the last eight years and showed at the Senior Bowl that it will take some time for him to adapt to a pro-style offense. Production is inflated from playing in a spread offense. Is accustomed to make a lot of pre-snap reads and will have to be retrained to see the whole field.

Ben Roethlisberger

Limited experience as a quarterback. Needs to improve his understanding of the game and will need time to adjust to the closing speed of NFL cornerbacks. Not as NFL ready as Eli Manning. Can't come in and start right away.

Don't have access to the previews from 2005 or 2006 at the moment, but I can tell you Smith and Grossman both faced loads of questions. plenty of experts had Rodgers over Smith based on system and pro readiness. Ditto Grossman, who faced the stigma of being a Florida quarterback under Steve Spurrier (you can count the number of those that succeeded in the pros on one hand). And there are plenty of other examples as well.

So if you're thinking nobody questions the intelligence of white guys, think again.

[SCP]

Mr. Scot shoots......................he scores!

[KJDaniel31]

I can't recall more than 2-3 QBs who when coming out of college were not questioned if they could read NFL defenses or learn a pro offense.

Again, I am sure some racist crack pot has something to say about black QB there is, just like some racist moron has something to say about every white BBall prospect coming out of college. Is that the barometer honest people should use? Why aren't we discussing the 99% of the planet who's opinions are not motivated in any way (conscious or unconscious, which I think is a big stretch) by race. Seems to me that some around here want to use the rare racist to blanket every negative statement said about any black athlete. Just seems a bit weak to me.

Good for you. I simply don't believe you (no offense). You may be the one person on the planet who never makes a stereotypical prejudgment about anyone, but I seriously doubt it. Everyone does it....some just dont let the POST evidence outweigh the PRE evidence. The former is not a problem in my opinion, the latter is.

I actually got to meet Ryan Mallett at a Dallas Mavericks game where he sat just a couple of rows in front of us. I had heard him in press conferences not sound very intelligent/easily agitated and had heard from a couple of hardcore Ark fans that he was well known around campus as trying hard to act like a thug. I was seriously impressed, because he came across as nothing but a mature and educated person to me. This was about a month before the draft, so perhaps he was being taught to act differently to improve his image. Were all those people who heard him speak for 2 years wrong about him, or is that the image he chose to display? Would it really have been different if he had spoken in broken draw with snuff in his lip?

I'd love to read an article from a respectable site that questioned these guys ability to read defenses/learn NFL offenses that does not question the same of many white QBs with similar test scores. Can you do that?

Except Cam doesnt...and Cam's conduct history is vastly different from Colt's. Also, in their final seasons, Cam threw the ball 280 times (2800 yrds) and ran for 1500 yards, while Colt threw 470 times (3500 yrds) and ran for 300 yards. Doesnt history show us that guys who run for 1500 yards while throwing so little have very little success at QB in the NFL? Isn't the likely culprit the inability to read NFL defenses/learn NFL offenses?

Interesting stance, considering I played and coached basketball and football. I have several players I coached which are in Div 1 in both, and 1 player in the NFL right now (the NFL players listed below I only coached in BBall). The one player who made the NFL (Justin Forsett) was the hardest worker I ever saw ....he made good grades, never got in trouble, and spoke intelligently. I never saw one single stereotype placed on him, he was seen as who he was....and he never once complained about any type of sterotyping. After his first week of practice at Cal, his white coach called and told our head coach at the time that if he had 80 kids like him, he would never lose. Thats interesting since he was only offered one scholarship at first (ND, then they retracted it) and Cal only offered him after someone backed out on them. Another player that year (we won 3 straight state tiles with these guys) was a highly recruited WR who went to a bigtime football school, though he clearly wasnt a hard worker and did not care about his academics much at all. He was a career underachiever and was labeled with everything that comes with that. I also had 7-8 other D 1 athletes, with all but 2 being black. I never once saw this stereotyping you are speaking of.

Sure, it exists, but its rare. I seriously haven't seen one single negative comment on this board posted about a black player than did not receive the race card. Do you really think this is 100% (every negative thought about a black person is racial, and no negative comments about white players are?) Is it not honest to say that this card is grossly overplayed? If so, wouldn't it be NORMAL for intelligent, honest people to grow tired of it, treating it much like the "boy who cried wolf"?

[teeray]

Know how I know you haven't read the scouting profiles?

These are copied directly from the PFW draft previews of the past few years.

Sam Bradford

Colt McCoy

Joe Flacco

Kevin Kolb

Ben Roethlisberger

Don't have access to the previews from 2005 or 2006 at the moment, but I can tell you Smith and Grossman both faced loads of questions. plenty of experts had Rodgers over Smith based on system and pro readiness. Ditto Grossman, who faced the stigma of being a Florida quarterback under Steve Spurrier (you can count the number of those that succeeded in the pros on one hand). And there are plenty of other examples as well.

So if you're thinking nobody questions the intelligence of white guys, think again.

Sweet. None of those questioned their intelligence!!! Thanks Scot. I was looking for examples. Saying a guy needs to be retrained or take snaps under center =/= to questioning a guy's intelligence.

I do find it even more assuring to my point that this was the best you could do.

[KJDaniel31]

Looks like I took too long to type mine, and Scot scooped in. Great post, unlikely to garner honest responses, though.

[KJDaniel31]

Sweet. None of those questioned their intelligence!!! Thanks Scot. I was looking for examples. Saying a guy needs to be retrained or take snaps under center =/= to questioning a guy's intelligence.

I do find it even more assuring to my point that this was the best you could do.

Great....find me a similar (reputable) site which questioned the intelligence of black QBs.

Can you do that?

[teeray]

Sure, it exists, but its rare. I seriously haven't seen one single negative comment on this board posted about a black player than did not receive the race card. Do you really think this is 100% (every negative thought about a black person is racial, and no negative comments about white players are?) Is it not honest to say that this card is grossly overplayed? If so, wouldn't it be NORMAL for intelligent, honest people to grow tired of it, treating it much like the "boy who cried wolf"?

You love burying yourself in you own examples :lol:

In the boy who cried wolf the people stopped listening and the boy was killed. You could learn a lot from your own metaphor.

[teeray]

Great....find me a similar (reputable) site which questioned the intelligence of black QBs.

Can you do that?

Sure

http://www.zimbio.com/Steve+McNair/articles/2csbUBmhqcA/Twins+Deduce+Vince+Young+Steve+McNair+Lite

Yvonne: If we want to keep it real, Titans fans and media alike were constantly calling into question McNair’s intelligence, and his grasp of the game.

Yvette: The sentiments during his playing days are similar what Vince Young hears now. Same script, different cast.

Except there is one glaring exception; the quarterbacks’ REACTIONS to this criticism are far different.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/280873-a-letter-to-jamarcus-from-someone-that-sees-potential

He (Russell) needs to speak in a manner that people understand and present himself more intelligently. His intelligence is constantly questioned.

Interesting side note, Jamarcus Russell was an SEC Academic Honor Roll athlete

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/569833-cam-newton-why-he-needs-to-return-to-auburn-for-his-senior-year

Yet Campbell stuck it out for 5 very tough years at Auburn during which time he was generally the most hated fellow on campus, (his own coach publicly questioned his intelligence)

Jason Campbell is a very smart person

That is just off the bat. I also know people questioned whether Josh Freeman, who played in a modified pro offense could "learn and NFL offense" or "read defenses"

BTW Scot notice the questioning of their intelligence. Not just "he needs to look off the safety and take snaps under center.

[teeray]

Or compare Scot's scouting reports of need's to "re-train" or "need to improve understanding" to Josh Freeman's take of

There could be questions about his ability to make proper reads

They are not saying he needs to learn it, or retrain it, or better understand it, etc..... they are questioning his ability to make proper reads. That suggests he possibly can't do it.

From a guy that came from a semi-pro offense in college and score a nearly identical score as Peyton Manning on his wonderlic score.

Big difference.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1123282