Richardson ...Lockout Article

[jherald]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82000f23/article/richardson-nfl-owners-in-waiting-mode-as-court-dates-come?module=HP_headlines

Enjoy.

[teeray]

Although many of our fans are sour on Richardson right now I have a lot of confidence in him. They will get something done.

From where I have been sitting (which admittedly is very far away) the owners have been the only ones interested in negotiating. The NFLPA just wants to get to the courts to try and destroy the current economic system in the NFL so that the Giants, Cowboys, and other large market/high revenue teams can dominate by overpaying for star players and inflating the market which will eventually turn the NFL into MLB and the Carolina Panthers and other smaller market teams into the Tampa Bay Rays.

I can't help but pull for the owners.

Plus D-Smith is a douche bag.

[Delhommey]

Yeah those dirty players starting their strike!

[teeray]

Yeah those dirty players starting their strike!

You act like bc someone opts out of a bad deal they somehow deserve a worse deal.

I would just appreciate the players pretending like they gave a sh*t. There has been two offers on the table. Which one have they countered Delhommey??

[DaCityKats]

pretty hard to counter with something if you dont have what you need. notice in the article how he said it was a sense of urgency when they pulled out 2 years ago. i call bs.

[Delhommey]

Hey teeray, we here at Acme Corp couldn't be more please with your performance. In fact, our organization is growing at an unheard of rate, thanks in part to your hard work. Considering we didn't even have to buy the building we're working in (THANKS TAXPAYERS/PSL OWNERS!) and the only real product we have to fund is you the worker, we're making tons!

Wait, no we're not. We're really really poor. We want to make more money. As a result of our AMAZING profitable growth- I'm sorry, I mean non profitable growth- we want to reduce your salary by 20% and take away a week of your vacation.

No? You don't like that? OK, we'll bargain with you. We won't take the week vacation away. See? We can be reasonable.

[teeray]

Hey teeray, we here at Acme Corp couldn't be more please with your performance. In fact, our organization is growing at an unheard of rate, thanks in part to your hard work. Considering we didn't even have to buy the building we're working in (THANKS TAXPAYERS/PSL OWNERS!) and the only real product we have to fund is you the worker, we're making tons!

Wait, no we're not. We're really really poor. We want to make more money. As a result of our AMAZING profitable growth- I'm sorry, I mean non profitable growth- we want to reduce your salary by 20% and take away a week of your vacation.

No? You don't like that? OK, we'll bargain with you. We won't take the week vacation away. See? We can be reasonable.

1.) Actually salaries for veteran players would go up so that point is mute.

2.) ACME Corp has seen great growth yet profits are down (revenue and profit are two separate entities). Real world companies this could actually mean layoffs.

3.) Nearly every major corporation is already tax exempt or has had significant incentives by individual states to move to/or stay in your current state instead of taking jobs elsewhere. Thanks taxpayers! (I got to see these negotiations first hand at the NCGA for Apple and Google)

4.) Your last sentence is very interesting. Where is the counter to their "reasonable" offer?? Just because a first (or now second) offer isn't reasonable doesn't mean you don't counter. If a deal is to be made you sit at the table and make it. That is, if you are negotiating in good faith and not jerking people around and appeasing public opinion polls.

[Montsta]

Hey teeray, we here at Acme Corp couldn't be more please with your performance. In fact, our organization is growing at an unheard of rate, thanks in part to your hard work. Considering we didn't even have to buy the building we're working in (THANKS TAXPAYERS/PSL OWNERS!) and the only real product we have to fund is you the worker, we're making tons!

Wait, no we're not. We're really really poor. We want to make more money. As a result of our AMAZING profitable growth- I'm sorry, I mean non profitable growth- we want to reduce your salary by 20% and take away a week of your vacation.

No? You don't like that? OK, we'll bargain with you. We won't take the week vacation away. See? We can be reasonable.

Dammit!!! I'm only going to make $8MM per year instead of $10MM. And I'm going to have to work for 6 months out of 12??? I'm going to quit and take my college major of South-American Basket Weaving and go get a job making $40K because this is bullshat!

[teeray]

BTW the reason the NFLPA haven't countered yet is because they don't want to set conditions that they would possibly accept for fear that the courts would give them an even better deal. If they don't set parameters then they can try to milk as much as possible in the new CBA.

The last thing they want to do is make a counter and then realize they could have gotten a better deal through the courts. By sitting back and litigating they think they can milk as much as possible out of the future deal.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Listen, we've all seen this play out before, and we know how it all ends. And of course I'm talking about the movie Battlefield Earth:

Terl (the nfl owners) is put into a bad circumstance by the Psychlo Home Office (the economy) and is forced to make Barry Pepper super intelligent in order for him to mine gold near Colorado (the owners signing the last CBA despite it being unfavorable). With his newfound self awareness and intelligence (favorable CBA), Barry Pepper leads an uprising that will make his gains permanent (the strike over the new CBA).

It has been foretold how this all ends. Jeff Saturday and Jay Feely fly Harrier jets into the NFL Films building while Dominique Foxworth transports a nuke to the NFL Headquarters in New York. Roger Goodell will be put in a cage and say something that vaguely leaves the door open for a sequel that never gets made because no one cares and Southpark will make fun of it.

[teeray]

I will put it in poker terms. This is how I see it:

The NFLPA think they have a pretty strong hand. And instead of taking the win they are slow playing their hand in order to try to win a big pot. So instead of raising the owner's bet (with a counter) they are just calling because they are afraid the owners will know the strength of their hand and they will not win as much money as they wanted to with their hand.

It isn't necessarily always a bad strategy in poker and nor is it here. But they run the risk of being "drawn out on" and actually losing a big pot when they could have won a smaller pot. Right now they are gambling that their hand is going to hold up and they are going to win a huge pot.

The NFLPA not countering is simply them not trying to show their cards for fear that the information would minimize their win potential.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

I will put it in poker terms. This is how I see it:

The NFLPA think they have a pretty strong hand. And instead of taking the win they are slow playing their hand in order to try to win a big pot. So instead of raising the owner's bet (with a counter) they are just calling because they are afraid the owners will fold and they will not win as much money as they wanted to with their hand.

It isn't necessarily always a bad strategy in poker and nor is it here. But they run the risk of being "drawn out on" and actually losing a big pot when they could have won a smaller pot. Right now they are gambling that their hand is going to hold up and they are going to win a huge pot.

Then not countering is simply them not trying to show their cards for fear that the information would minimize their win potential.

Don't worry about it, I totally have the metaphor angle covered friend.

[teeray]

To try and put it more succinctly;

It is very difficult to have true negotiations until a counter is offered. Even if you think the owner's offer wasn't reasonable the owners did a good job of publicly listing the concessions they made in their offer.

The reason (in my opinion) that the NFLPA hasn't countered is because they don't want to make any concessions from their current deal and are confident (or hopeful) that the courts will reinstate the current deal.

If they counter they would have to come out like the owners did and list their concessions in their counter to show they are being pragmatic. But if they do that they fear they will lose out on the current deal which is very beneficial to them.

So until they put a counter offer on the table there is essentially nothing to work with in terms of negotiating. But, the NFLPA fears they put limitations on what they can gain from the owners in the process.

[SevenSixes]

meh.

No negotiations, no deal, no news..