OL stats last year - Clausen just sucked

[CRA]

Guy, no one here thinks Clausen is an all-star who could put the team on his back. But I would say he's not even largely to blame. It was his rookie season, he had 2 rookie wide receivers and you're kidding yourself if you think Smitty was a great teammate last year. We had 0 rushing attack through the first half of the season and through the first 6 or so games we had a revolving door at the quarterback position.

This is what I'm talking about when I say that people have been blinded by the early success of quarterbacks drafted recently (think Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, et al.). Clausen was a 2nd round pick, not the number 1 overall and its asinine to think that he was put in the best possible situation to succeed. I'm not saying give him a free pass, but this whole "Clausen sucks" thing is getting really old. There is nothing new here. I don't know why people keep finding it necessary to find ways to blame everything on him.

Let the past be the past and I think the way he has handled himself this offseason, he has shown incredible amounts of character, integrity and professionalism.

Find something new or something better to talk about.

guy, if you don't think Clausen is largely to blame for how pathetic Carolina was......then well.......I would say you haven't played organized football and seen first hand how crippliing horrific QB play is to an entire team.

It is asinine to deflect everything away from Clausen....he was in a pretty good spot for a rookie QB. He was just horrible. Again, good D, good ground attack, elite WR, and a coach who has a system where average QBs can find success. It is absurd how everyone wants to paint a picture he was put in a horrible scenario when he clearly plays the game just like in college and lacks the skill set and ability to play in the NFL in anything but a WCO.

I have never knocked his professionalism, character (as I have defended him in that department), integrity etc. None of that is worth talking about unless you can play the position though.....

The point of the thread? To show the team surrounding whatever QB steps on the field in 2011 is solid. He will have a solid OL....and that IS a good thing. Not my fault people get butt hurt b/c it is also shows Clausen sucked.

I don't see how talking about the OL's performance isn't worth talking about....and people bring up Clausen's sorry performance every time it is addressed so he as well is going to be part of the conversation. We are a running team, with a rookie QB likely starting week 1......OL talk is probably as important of topic as anything. With the bashing the OL has taken on this board.....the OL talk is more important than just about anything outside the DL.

[Mr ocho nueve]

I can't wait to see Cam "The Third Person" Newton carrying Jimmy's pads in practice. And you can quote me on this, Jimmy will out perform Cam, IF he is given a shot. If the coaches come in a throw Jimmy under the bus then that will be another story, but I'm telling you, Jimmy definitely has the advantage in passing the ball.

[CRA]

I can't wait to see Cam "The Third Person" Newton carrying Jimmy's pads in practice. And you can quote me on this, Jimmy will out perform Cam, IF he is given a shot. If the coaches come in a throw Jimmy under the bus then that will be another story, but I'm telling you, Jimmy definitely has the advantage in passing the ball.

and people want to know why I feel the need to knock Clausen.....b/c people still pimp crazy thoughts like this.

How does Jimmy have the advantage passing...Cam is better in the pocket, has a stronger arm and can extend plays. Chud's offense, like Fox's, is about going downfield.

[Jpjr]

and people want to know why I feel the need to knock Clausen.....b/c people still pimp crazy thoughts like this.

How does Jimmy have the advantage passing...Cam is better in the pocket, has a stronger arm and can extend plays. Chud's offense, like Fox's, is about going downfield.

Uh... Cam Newton missed 6 wide open receivers in a staged pro-day. The dude floats the football and has serious accuracy issues. Have you actually watched any of his games? Until the hype started when Luck dropped off he was considered about as valuable as The Golden Calf of Bristol... late first round.

My final word on the QB situation in Carolina is this: Cam will be the starter by default and it is his and only his to lose. Not only would Jimmy need to be performing lights out in practice and preseason, but Cam would need to be playing very poorly. It is possible but extremely unlikely because the coaching staff won't let it happen like they didn't with Bradford. If you watched Bradford's first few preseason games he was absolutely terrible. Then they realized that he is really good at throwing dink and dunk passes and he ended up making a career out of it last year. The guy completed 1 pass for more than 10 yards against the Seahawks in his last start yet he was still offensive rookie of the year. The same opportunity will be given to Cam. They will build a scheme around him. He will start the first game unless he is simply awful in the preseason.

[CRA]

Uh... Cam Newton missed 6 wide open receivers in a staged pro-day. The dude floats the football and has serious accuracy issues. Have you actually watched any of his games? Until the hype started when Luck dropped off he was considered about as valuable as The Golden Calf of Bristol... late first round.

My final word on the QB situation in Carolina is this: Cam will be the starter by default and it is his and only his to lose. Not only would Jimmy need to be performing lights out in practice and preseason, but Cam would need to be playing very poorly. It is possible but extremely unlikely because the coaching staff won't let it happen like they didn't with Bradford. If you watched Bradford's first few preseason games he was absolutely terrible. Then they realized that he is really good at throwing dink and dunk passes and he ended up making a career out of it last year. The guy completed 1 pass for more than 10 yards against the Seahawks in his last start yet he was still offensive rookie of the year. The same opportunity will be given to Cam. They will build a scheme around him. He will start the first game unless he is simply awful in the preseason.

Um, when did I pimp Cam as highly accurate? I watched tons of Cam in college......like I said, he is better in the pocket, has a stronger arm, and can extend plays ( I only referenced 3 things but that is enough to beat out Clausen). Clausen doesn't fit the new scheme which requires the same things Fox did of a QB.

again, my post was in RESPONSE to someone pimpin Clausen beating out Cam. And since you brought up The Golden Calf of Bristol...The Golden Calf of Bristol was significantly better than Clausen last year.

Clausen doesn't have the physical tools and still has questionable intangibles. Nothing about the Clausen we know suggests he is beating anyone in anything.

[blackcatgrowl]

Guy, no one here thinks Clausen is an all-star who could put the team on his back. But I would say he's not even largely to blame. It was his rookie season, he had 2 rookie wide receivers and you're kidding yourself if you think Smitty was a great teammate last year. We had 0 rushing attack through the first half of the season and through the first 6 or so games we had a revolving door at the quarterback position.

This is what I'm talking about when I say that people have been blinded by the early success of quarterbacks drafted recently (think Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, et al.). Clausen was a 2nd round pick, not the number 1 overall and its asinine to think that he was put in the best possible situation to succeed. I'm not saying give him a free pass, but this whole "Clausen sucks" thing is getting really old. There is nothing new here. I don't know why people keep finding it necessary to find ways to blame everything on him.

Let the past be the past and I think the way he has handled himself this offseason, he has shown incredible amounts of character, integrity and professionalism.

Find something new or something better to talk about.

^

Exactly.

You can't put 100% of the problems with our passing game at Clausen's feet.

That doesn't mean he's ever going to amount to much... cause I don't think he will... but you can't say it was all him either.

[Happy Panther]

Lets see the thread about OL run-blocking. Then we may have something to talk about.

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/carolina-panthers/54157-a-season-in-review-oline-myth.html

[neverlosethefeeling]

guy, if you don't think Clausen is largely to blame for how pathetic Carolina was......then well.......I would say you haven't played organized football and seen first hand how crippliing horrific QB play is to an entire team.

It is asinine to deflect everything away from Clausen....he was in a pretty good spot for a rookie QB. He was just horrible. Again, good D, good ground attack, elite WR, and a coach who has a system where average QBs can find success. It is absurd how everyone wants to paint a picture he was put in a horrible scenario when he clearly plays the game just like in college and lacks the skill set and ability to play in the NFL in anything but a WCO.

I have never knocked his professionalism, character (as I have defended him in that department), integrity etc. None of that is worth talking about unless you can play the position though.....

The point of the thread? To show the team surrounding whatever QB steps on the field in 2011 is solid. He will have a solid OL....and that IS a good thing. Not my fault people get butt hurt b/c it is also shows Clausen sucked.

I don't see how talking about the OL's performance isn't worth talking about....and people bring up Clausen's sorry performance every time it is addressed so he as well is going to be part of the conversation. We are a running team, with a rookie QB likely starting week 1......OL talk is probably as important of topic as anything. With the bashing the OL has taken on this board.....the OL talk is more important than just about anything outside the DL.

He absolutely was not put in a good spot to win. Steve Smith as a royal asshole last year. He had two rookie wide receivers, Matt Moore and BSP as mentors, a running game that didn't produce a 100 yard rusher through the first handful of games of his career. IF the running game was working at the beginning of the year like it started to at the end, we might have had a different season. The fact that we couldn't establish a running game early and often meant that Clausen had to shoulder the responsibility of making the offense run and he just wasn't able to do that. His confidence had to be through the floor as like I said, we had a revolving door at the quarterback position through the beginning of the season. If Clausen were going to be given the best possible chance to succeed, he would not have started a single game last year. You don't pick a 2nd round QB and throw him in there expecting him to win you a ton of games. And once he is in there, you definitely don't take him out once he starts to suck, then put him back in once the other guy starts to suck just as bad. Fox was a lame duck last year and Jimmy Clausen should not have to shoulder the responsibility of sending our season down the drain.

I don't think that Clausen is spectacular by any stretch, but I will say it again, it's old news.

I'm not interested in continuing this anymore because it's obvious that we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

[CRA]

He absolutely was not put in a good spot to win. Steve Smith as a royal asshole last year. He had two rookie wide receivers, Matt Moore and BSP as mentors, a running game that didn't produce a 100 yard rusher through the first handful of games of his career. IF the running game was working at the beginning of the year like it started to at the end, we might have had a different season. The fact that we couldn't establish a running game early and often meant that Clausen had to shoulder the responsibility of making the offense run and he just wasn't able to do that. His confidence had to be through the floor as like I said, we had a revolving door at the quarterback position through the beginning of the season. If Clausen were going to be given the best possible chance to succeed, he would not have started a single game last year. You don't pick a 2nd round QB and throw him in there expecting him to win you a ton of games. And once he is in there, you definitely don't take him out once he starts to suck, then put him back in once the other guy starts to suck just as bad. Fox was a lame duck last year and Jimmy Clausen should not have to shoulder the responsibility of sending our season down the drain.

I don't think that Clausen is spectacular by any stretch, but I will say it again, it's old news.

I'm not interested in continuing this anymore because it's obvious that we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Look at Smitty's production with Clausen on the field vs. on the bench......I don't agree w/ Smitty being a jerk but I understand why. Clausen refused to look/make any throws downfield....and Clausen killed the routes refusing to stay in the pocket.

No one expected much of Clausen.....and you can totally ignore the first few starts of his IMO. But late in the year you have no defense for his poor play.

Clauen could have started every game and finsihed 0-16 and recieved more support pending he showed something......no one cares about a rookies W/L record overall. It is about showing why you were drafted and what you can do in the future.

Knowing Fox was a lameduck, the majority pimped Carolina as the best place in the NFL for a rookie to start last season. They were right pending that rookie would sling it downfield.

[neverlosethefeeling]

Look at Smitty's production with Clausen on the field vs. on the bench......I don't agree w/ Smitty being a jerk but I understand why. Clausen refused to look/make any throws downfield....and Clausen killed the routes refusing to stay in the pocket.

No one expected much of Clausen.....and you can totally ignore the first few starts of his IMO. But late in the year you have no defense for his poor play.

Clauen could have started every game and finsihed 0-16 and recieved more support pending he showed something......no one cares about a rookies W/L record overall. It is about showing why you were drafted and what you can do in the future.

Knowing Fox was a lameduck, the majority pimped Carolina as the best place in the NFL for a rookie to start last season. They were right pending that rookie would sling it downfield.

You don't agree that Smitty was a bad teammate? You must be a BSJS, because the way he was with the other rookie WRs in training camp, and the lack of patience he showed with Clausen were indicitive of a guy who only wanted to help himself.

How do you possibly discount the first few games of a rookie's career? Clausen's confidence was totally shot through those first few games and to ignore that is to say that you have no real interest in a constructive debate, you're just looking for someone to poo on and Clausen is the easiest target.

No one care's about a rookie's W/L record? Then why are all rookies drafted now compared to Roethlisberger, Flacco and Matt Ryan (and to a lesser degree, Matt Stafford)? It's because those rookies were able to come in and have success early. That didn't used to be the norm, but because a few guys were able to do it, now everyone thinks EVERY rookie should be able to come in and do that. It's not so.

And I'm not going to entertain that last comment about Fox.

Edit: I'm not responding to this thread anymore. I'm not going to continue to feed the troll.

[CRA]

You don't agree that Smitty was a bad teammate? You must be a BSJS, because the way he was with the other rookie WRs in training camp, and the lack of patience he showed with Clausen were indicitive of a guy who only wanted to help himself.

How do you possibly discount the first few games of a rookie's career? Clausen's confidence was totally shot through those first few games and to ignore that is to say that you have no real interest in a constructive debate, you're just looking for someone to poo on and Clausen is the easiest target.

No one care's about a rookie's W/L record? Then why are all rookies drafted now compared to Roethlisberger, Flacco and Matt Ryan (and to a lesser degree, Matt Stafford)? It's because those rookies were able to come in and have success early. That didn't used to be the norm, but because a few guys were able to do it, now everyone thinks EVERY rookie should be able to come in and do that. It's not so.

And I'm not going to entertain that last comment about Fox.

Edit: I'm not responding to this thread anymore. I'm not going to continue to feed the troll.

I said in the post you just quoted I didn't agree with Smitty being a jerk to Clausen.

How do I discount them? Huh, I said you could throw them out the window and I wasn't going to hold those against Clausen.

If Clausen's confidence was "shot" as you say 2 games into being a rookie....kid as no business being in the NFL.

Sure it is great if rookie win sooner rather than later.....but at the end of the day, rookie seasons are learning experiences where they begin to show there potential and what they will do down the road. Josh Freeman is a prime example....he did some great things in losses as a rookie.

[neverlosethefeeling]

I said in the post you just quoted I didn't agree with Smitty being a jerk to Clausen.

How do I discount them? Huh, I said you could throw them out the window and I wasn't going to hold those against Clausen.

If Clausen's confidence was "shot" as you say 2 games into being a rookie....kid as no business being in the NFL.

Sure it is great if rookie win sooner rather than later.....but at the end of the day, rookie seasons are learning experiences where they begin to show there potential and what they will do down the road. Josh Freeman is a prime example....he did some great things in losses as a rookie.

My b about the first part, read that as you saying you didn't think Smitty was a jerk.

[CRA]

My b about the first part, read that as you saying you didn't think Smitty was a jerk.

i have blasted Smitty for what he did to Clausen.....and I support trading him if he is unwilling to suffer through the peaks and valleys of having a rookie/young QB this year.

I defend Clausen on several issues.....most just want to point out I am a 100% hater. I just think Hurney drafting him for an unknown future coach was bad news for Clausen and our team. Not all QBs can have success on all 32 rosters.....people overlook how important it is that a QB fit's what a team does.

Clausen has good qualities but overall I don't think you will see them in Fox's or Chud's offense.

[Peppers90 NC]

Not a big fan of oline stats, but we failed the eyeball test... pretty much everybody sucked last year. There were tons of quick pressure, whether thats on the oline or the qb to pick up blitzes, we sucked.