What about Cam will revolutionize the game?

[TheRealDeal]

Coming out of college, Mathew Stafford had NFL written all over him. Big, strong, hand cannon, played in a pro style, play-action offense for 3 years. That's about as good as it gets, yet he has some of the worst luck I've ever seen.

If he can stay healthy the Lions are the best team in the division.

[CRA]

You already said that.

Mark was way ahead of Cam in terms of the mental aspect, footwork, accuracy, etc.

Cam is bigger and maybe faster, that's it.

based on what?

I mean, Cam was statsically a better passer his season vs. Sanchez in college.

Sanchez has proven to be the most ineffiecent passer out of QBs that played both the past 2 seasons.

Also, if you are gonna knock Cam and his offense then don't give me a USC guy and boast about the mental aspect coming out of college.

[theDIRTYcode]

If he can stay healthy the Lions are the best team in the division.

Don't know about the best since Green Bay is in there and Aaron Rodgers is a man beast, but they are easily number 2.

[TheRealDeal]

Sanchez made way more NFL throws than Cam made in college and based on those throws you can deduce that Sanchez had to make NFL reads.

Not saying Cam can't, just that he hasn't shown he can.

[CRA]

Sanchez made way more NFL throws than Cam made in college and based on those throws you can deduce that Sanchez had to make NFL reads.

Not saying Cam can't, just that he hasn't shown he can.

don't buy that.....Cam made comparable throws against better competition.

and was still statsically more efficient in the process....

Cam has loads of work to do....but to take a stance that Mark Sanchez was signficantly ahead just shows your Cam bias. Talking to you about Cam is like talking to that CRA idiot about Clausen.

[TheRealDeal]

You don't have to buy it, I've given proof plenty of time that when Cam throws the ball to anything other than a wide open streak or a hitch/swing pass, his numbers are largely terrible.

If you asked 100 people that had no bias to either Cam or Mark, a clear majority (75-80% as my guess) would say that Mark was the further along passer coming out of college and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Cam is a different prospect with different milestones.

The progress he makes on his own path, not following someone else's path, will decide if he is a quality NFL QB or not.

[CRA]

You don't have to buy it, I've given proof plenty of time that when Cam throws the ball to anything other than a wide open streak or a hitch/swing pass, his numbers are largely terrible.

If you asked 100 people that had no bias to either Cam or Mark, a clear majority (75-80% as my guess) would say that Mark was the further along passer coming out of college and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Cam is a different prospect with different milestones.

The progress he makes on his own path, not following someone else's path, will decide if he is a quality NFL QB or not.

You haven't given proof. Cam was statistically more efficient. Cam's competition was tougher.

All you have done is claimed Cam hit open streaking WRs.....and I would suggest you go back and watch some USC highlights then b/c Sanchez had them as well.

Most people if I recall thought Sanchez was vastly overrated and had bust writtten all over him....so I don't but the hypothetical that 80% of people would say Sanchez was vastly ahead of Cam like you pimp.

[Snake]

I dont think he will revolutionize anything. What he will do is be a very good duel threat. Punishing defenses for double covering his best player while picking apart the secondary for not double covering his best WR.

[TheRealDeal]

You haven't given proof. Cam was statistically more efficient. Cam's competition was tougher.

I've showed many times using a breakdown of his numbers behind the line of scrimmage and beyond the line of scrimmage the numbers are vastly different.

I don't care to rehash them now because it's largely pointless.

You either can't comprehend the numbers and their significance or choose not to. Either way I'm not going to open up your eyes.

We all just have to wait and see how he plays.

[Cyberjag]

I still fail to see how they were signifcantly better passers.....

I don't see how Clausen is the perfect example......I mean Mel Kiper claiming Clausen was this great prospect didn't make it true. Terry Bradshaw watched the same kid in college and pointed out the same flaws he showed at the next level. Clausen was almost a mirror image at ND as he was in Carolina.....his BS dump offs and slow scramble worked in college though. His mechanics were the same in college....NFL pressure didn't make them bad.

It is still my opinion the offenses they played in are presenting them as better passers for the next level than they really are in comparison to Cam. Cam is much more suited for certain NFL offenses than others.....for the one he is about to enter I still don't think there is evidence the others are signicantly ahead of him.

Well, it wasn't just Mel Kiper, and the only knock on Clausen was that under pressure he had a tendency to go more side-arm. And you're insisting that Sanchez wasn't good, you've criticized Bradford, and you've elevated Cam's mechanics to Manning-like in your tone.

So, when I see the part where you "fail to see how they were signifcantly better passers" I almost have to wonder if that's because of some sort of bizarre hero-worship. Or maybe you just don't know what makes someone a good passer. *shrug*

[TheRealDeal]

In the eyes of many people, Cam has no flaws and no one is better than Cam at anything.

It's okay to recognize others for their strengths and it's okay to acknowledge some of Cam's flaws.

He's not going to come into the league perfect.

[Cyberjag]

In the eyes of many people, Cam has no flaws and no one is better than Cam at anything.

It's okay to recognize others for their strengths and it's okay to acknowledge some of Cam's flaws.

He's not going to come into the league perfect.

I think you might agree with this. Cam is outstanding at moving the chains. And in crunch time, he is particularly so.

I don't know why people need to feel he's the biggest, smartest, fastest, bestest thrower, blah blah blah. He moves the chains, and that's what you need. Right?

[TheRealDeal]

I said countless times he was an amazing college player with great raw ability.

The NFL is a different beast. He needs to fine tune that raw ability to be successful.

People call me a hater because I pointed out some of the obvious flaws he had, others wanted to ignore it.

I'm trying to learn to let it go.

[CRA]

I've showed many times using a breakdown of his numbers behind the line of scrimmage and beyond the line of scrimmage the numbers are vastly different.

I don't care to rehash them now because it's largely pointless.

You either can't comprehend the numbers and their significance or choose not to. Either way I'm not going to open up your eyes.

We all just have to wait and see how he plays.

many times you have broken down Cam and Sanchez's college season and compared them? Post a link to an old thread then....

Bottom line is, I don't see how you can pimp he was signicantly better....when Cam was more efficient as a passer, against better competition, with a weaker supporting cast.