Suicide.

[charlotte49er]

you'd make a fine nazi.

Or Scrooge reincarnated!

"If they are going to die, then let them get on with it, and reduce the over population!"

"Bah Humbug!"

[Cat]

I'm a bit surprised at some of the quality post in this thread.

[Doyle]

In most cases you are just transferring your pain on to other people. The only way I see it as OK is if you have no friends or family that would be effected by it.

[Hawk]

easily the most selfish think you can do, and you can't take it back, you can't apologize, you can't make ammends! I personally think, no matter how bad it might be, there is always another answer. And yes, I would go with some arguments about critical patients in a vegatative state etc etc etc..

My brother killed himself when I was 11, he was 19. That's over thirty years ago and still affects my family, some more than others.

[ladypanther]

easily the most selfish think you can do, and you can't take it back, you can't apologize, you can't make ammends! I personally think, no matter how bad it might be, there is always another answer. And yes, I would go with some arguments about critical patients in a vegatative state etc etc etc..

My brother killed himself when I was 11, he was 19. That's over thirty years ago and still affects my family, some more than others.

So sorry Hawk.

In my experience working with families, that is a would that never heals. Probably the hardest thing there is.

[bleys]

easily the most selfish think you can do, and you can't take it back, you can't apologize, you can't make ammends! I personally think, no matter how bad it might be, there is always another answer. And yes, I would go with some arguments about critical patients in a vegatative state etc etc etc..

My brother killed himself when I was 11, he was 19. That's over thirty years ago and still affects my family, some more than others.

someone willing to kill themselves is NOT the same as someone who keeps getting fired at jobs because they can't show up on time...

some people never find a cure and never find a reason to carry on.

I thoroughly believe everyone is over simplifying what deep depression truly feels like.

"situational depression" is a complete joke compared to the real thing.

I am sorry to hear about your brother. by no means is that an easy thing to go through.

but what if I told you that both you and your family should just get over it, that life goes on? only someone who has never experienced that pain would say such an asinine statement..

I feel people are all too easily acting like all you have to do to overcome true depression is merely brush your shoulders off and everything goes away.. when in reality, your brain isn't properly working, just the same as heart disease, autism, Alzheimers.. yet no one goes around telling cancer patients to stop dying because of their illness..

someone already mentioned they get it if someone with a critical illness ends it early.. I'm not sure the difference.

by no means am I promoting suicide. all I'm saying is people need to rethink what causes suicide instead of pretending to understand something they've never experienced.

[bleys]

may you all never reach a point where the thought of dying is more peaceful than the pain of living.

that, my friends, is a very scary thought.

[hepcat]

You mean besides telling someone they can't do something because of the way it will make you feel.

Who said that? I'm saying that suicide IS the ultimate result of selfish behavior. It says I care about myself more than everything else in this world and because of that, if I want to kill myself, screw how everyone else feels about it.

[bleys]

honestly, that opinion is just as out of touch as the person shooting themselves..

[Carolina Husker]

Who said that? I'm saying that suicide IS the ultimate result of selfish behavior. It says I care about myself more than everything else in this world and because of that, if I want to kill myself, screw how everyone else feels about it.

So they should just keep living in pain so you can feel better.

/bongresinlogic

[hepcat]

So they should just keep living in pain so you can feel better.

/bongresinlogic

Like I said in my earlier post, there is always hope, with some extenuating circumstances. No they shouldn't keep living in pain but suicidal thoughts come from being hopeless. I was severely suicidal at several junctures in my life. I mean it really comes from "Why am I not happy? I'll never be happy.

the only way for me to escape this unhappiness is to kill myself"

Seems pretty selfish. But that's assuming you view selfish as a negative term. If you've studied any Eastern philosophy, Osho has talked about the word "selfishness". It's a term that gets regularly condemned, but it really means to love yourself. My band did a song that has some of his quotes it.

http://drdpandthetrainrunners.bandcamp.com/track/soundcheck

begin listening around the 2:27 mark.

[The Saltman]

Sometimes depression has nothing to do with happiness.

They dont always both Go hand in hand.

I've been depressed before and I had a great life.

Lots of love and money and so on. I was just depressed. Depression isnt always something that is of the result of the environment you are in.

[bleys]

if you've been there then you know how scary it is to realize how powerful the thought is that death is more peaceful than living.

so let's step away from looking at people like they have a problem with decision making without fully understanding there is a severe/critical illness going on.

people wouldn't criticize someone with terminal cancer for saving themselves from suffering. some people going through deep depression aren't so lucky to get past it and "wish it away"..

at the end of the day, the brain isn't functioning properly.. medications only try to moderate the brain, they do not cure the brain.

[Carolina Husker]

Like I said in my earlier post, there is always hope, with some extenuating circumstances. No they shouldn't keep living in pain but suicidal thoughts come from being hopeless. I was severely suicidal at several junctures in my life. I mean it really comes from "Why am I not happy? I'll never be happy.

the only way for me to escape this unhappiness is to kill myself"

You're assuming that your experiences are universal. Just because you overcame depression doesn't mean it's possible for everyone else to. There are people with painful, chronic diseases that are expensive to treat and consider suicide their best option. Telling them to read Eastern philosophy and to be hopeful is selfish on your part.