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Not to be the bearer of bad news, but if you actually look at the throws that Anderson made in his probowl season, it was not as radically different as the ones Clausen threw last year - the results, sure, very different. Attempt selection, though, was not nearly as large a gap as one would expect going from "Checkdown King" to "Vertical Offense." I'm not saying this is going to be the same old offense... It won't be... at all. But don't expect it to necessarily be San Diego reborn. We've got a stable of amazing running backs(not to mention a QB we clearly want to run), and if we don't run them, I'd be astonished. Some of this board are going to cry holy hell if we aren't airing it out every down I suspect, but our offense is going to be strong and balanced in that it will be capable of running or (hopefully) passing.

ultimately Jimmy's problem is likely confidence... maybe in his arm, maybe his receivers... maybe just in himself...

it does seem like he and Cam are both responding to each other, though. I don't care if Jimmy can't heave the ball 50 yards on his knees, as long as he can spread the defense out a bit... and we won't really know if he can do that until game time. The better he plays, the better Cam will have to play to replace him - and if Cam is half of what he says he is, he'll work his ass off to win his spot as the #1. I'm looking forward to some actual game time out of both of the guys, either way.

I was comparing the way the offense was being reported during last years Training Camp to what was the ultimate offensive (both meanings apply) product at Fan Fest and the season.

Not comparing this offense to last regime's offense.

But your points are well taken and I don't disagree with anything you said :)

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Agreed.

From what I am reading, I am still nervous with Cam. He seems to have the guts to make the deep throws. However, he is being careless and cavalier. If he keeps that up in the season, he is going to be an interception machine.

Clausen needs to take more chances.....CAm needs to ratchet it back and understand that the defenses he will be playing against are 100X better than ANYTHING he has ever seen.

Still hope that one steps up and distances himself.

Manning was an interception machine his rookie year.

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Why must we have this same argument everyday? Stop trying to compare a #1 overall pick to a 2nd rounder. If I have to tell you the difference, then you don't know the workings of the NFL. Pro Sports for that matter!

Please enlighten me "Oh Idiot One".....

My point is that people need patience with 99% of rookie QB's....not just the ones that they WANT to be successful.

Evaluating JC from last year is a mistake. He was thrown into the worst possible situation. I guarantee you that if it had been Cam playing last year, the results would have been the same.

I am not making a case for or against JC....just that evaluating him solely by last year is ridiculous.

If people would stop slurping on Cam's nuts long enough to understand this, we would all be more enlightened.

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Manning was an interception machine his rookie year.

Agreed.

My comment was not an evaluation of Cam's future in the NFL. Just that his style makes me nervous for THIS season.

I think that adding a solid CB to this team and we are a contender.

We have stud RB's....solid WR's...great TE's....a great OLine....nasty LB's.....solid DLine (Hardy and Johnson are going to get after it, and McClain looks like a beast).

Add solid QB play and double digit wins are not out of the question.

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Not to be the bearer of bad news, but if you actually look at the throws that Anderson made in his probowl season, it was not as radically different as the ones Clausen threw last year - the results, sure, very different. Attempt selection, though, was not nearly as large a gap as one would expect going from "Checkdown King" to "Vertical Offense."

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DA - 31% of his completions were 10 yards + downfield

Jimmy - 17% of his completions were 10 yards + downfield

Most of DA's production (yards/TD) came from throws 10+ yards downfield

Most of Jimmy's production (yards/TD) came from throws less than 10 yards

How is that not radically different? Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your post.

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DA - 31% of his completions were 10 yards + downfield

Jimmy - 17% of his completions were 10 yards + downfield

Most of DA's production (yards/TD) came from throws 10+ yards downfield

Most of Jimmy's production (yards/TD) came from throws less than 10 yards

How is that not radically different? Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your post.

I am not disputing these stats at all. But where the heck did you find these stats??

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I am not disputing these stats at all. But where the heck did you find these stats??

espn does a good job on the players stat pages.....you have to go to "splits".

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8627/year/2007/derek-anderson

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/13198/jimmy-clausen

"by pass play" shows where the ball was thrown in terms of distance downfield......then you have to do a little math on your own to get those percentages I threw out.

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espn does a good job on the players stat pages.....you have to go to "splits".

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8627/year/2007/derek-anderson

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/13198/jimmy-clausen

"by pass play" shows where the ball was thrown in terms of distance downfield......then you have to do a little math on your own to get those percentages I threw out.

Great find, one thing that jumped out at me was the margin of victory stats.

He actually did a decent job when we lost by 7 or less, compared to blowouts where people might think he "boosted" his stats.

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Please enlighten me "Oh Idiot One".....

My point is that people need patience with 99% of rookie QB's....not just the ones that they WANT to be successful.

Evaluating JC from last year is a mistake. He was thrown into the worst possible situation. I guarantee you that if it had been Cam playing last year, the results would have been the same.

I am not making a case for or against JC....just that evaluating him solely by last year is ridiculous.

If people would stop slurping on Cam's nuts long enough to understand this, we would all be more enlightened.

Really wasn't trying to knock you, just tired of the whole Cam Vs Clausen threads.

When you're the number #1 overall pick, you're going to be handed the keys eventually. Now what you do with them, is to be determined.

The same people that's still holding out hope for Clausen, didn't want use to draft Cam in the first place, and I think it's pathetic.

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Edwards for #2? must be doing more than showing flashes out there..

his athletic ability makes him a huge mismatch.. hope to see him dominate in the slot..

Edwards is playing well in a controlled environment.

Get him in a real game with real bullets then it will be reality check time!!!

If they thought this highly of him, Nanee wouldn't have been brought in.

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Edwards is playing well in a controlled environment.

Get him in a real game with real bullets then it will be reality check time!!!

If they thought this highly of him, Nanee wouldn't have been brought in.

Naane is only on a 1 year contract. Outside of Smitty, our next 4 guys are a rookie and 3 2nd year guys. Need some vet leadership and experience in the WR group.

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