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Clausen's potential

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MadHatter Rookie

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Dude, how old are you? Do you honestly know what look Aikman's rookie year had? I'm 29 and can't remember what even Manning's first year looked like. What do you just sit in your room all day and study old game film or are you just talking out of your ass? I'm going with the latter.

spend a few minutes on the internet doing research and you MIGHT not sound like a complete fuging idiot....but I doubt it.

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I don't agree he wasn't given a chance to improve, he had significant playing time, and if anything he regressed.

But I hear you, it'd be nice if he can become good enough that we can dump him for value.

give him this season without Fox/Davidson. that combo completely shut it down on the Panthers last season. It was Fox's middle finger to Richardson for not renewing his contract and giving him a vet team.

Not saying that JC will be a legit QB in the NFL....but am smart enough to know not ot make snap judgements that come back to bite me in the ass.

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Clausen had the deck stacked against him to be sure, and I don't think anyone was expecting miracles, but he showed absolutely nothing to cause anyone to believe he'll ever be a good QB in the NFL, nevermind the circumstances. In fact he showed the opposite. The guy was absurdly bad.

This is hate. You are assuming that you have the eye for recognizing talent better than Hurney and the coaching staff. After all, if it is this bleak, he would not be on an NFL roster. How can you say, "nevermind the circumstances?" He was not coached (includes mechanical issues and the fact that he spent camp as the 3rd QB, basically being ignored), he was not protected, and he knew he was not wanted by Fox. Now, how would you do in your job under similar circumstances? Yes, he sucked last year, we get it. You would have said the same thing about John Elway and Troy Aikman after they led bad teams as rookie QBs--in better circumstances. "Nevermind the circumstances?" Could you be more biased and closed-minded?

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give him this season without Fox/Davidson. that combo completely shut it down on the Panthers last season. It was Fox's middle finger to Richardson for not renewing his contract and giving him a vet team.

Not saying that JC will be a legit QB in the NFL....but am smart enough to know not ot make snap judgements that come back to bite me in the ass.

This is EXACTLY what I have been saying. Well stated.

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MW, there have been guys drafted/thrown into disasters who hit some bumps before succeeding in the NFL, but I honestly can't remember watching a guy who looks like he has no business on the field doing so.

most of those rookies looked bad, Aikman was a good example of it, he didnt even have double digit TD passes. i am not saying Clausen will be great, i am just saying dont give up on him too soon. stranger things have happened.

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spend a few minutes on the internet doing research and you MIGHT not sound like a complete fuging idiot....but I doubt it.

Researching stats on the internet doesn't prove anything other than that they both had crappy rookie seasons. His argument was that Aikman's crappy rookie year had a different LOOK to it than Clausen's crappy rookie year. How can you tell that by looking at stats?

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I know my opinion doesn't mean much on this board. I know most will probably rip me for saying this.

Jimmy Clausen was the best pure passer I've ever seen in college football his senior year. His earlier years, you could see his potential shine through here and there, but his senior year was amazing. Full command of the offense, pinpoint accuracy, and great decision making.

His rookie year with Carolina, he was terrible, much like his freshman year of college. However, I don't think so many should write him off in the NFL so soon. Maybe his skills will never translate to the NFL, but his rookie year was not a good sample set to go off. His coaches didn't believe in him and he was thrown in the mix after a veteran QB couldn't do any better with this team. He was the 1st rookie QB to start games with rookie WRs on both sides in NFL history. His OL was injury-stricken and awful in pass protection. He had no TE to speak of to throw to. Steve Smith...injured, D Williams...injured. All of the veteran leadership was traded away before the season. The coaching staff mailed it in after deeming Matt Moore the starter and that didn't work out. Also, Jimmy was coming off surgery to repair a torn ligament in his foot. All this while dealing with constant media torment about sliding in the draft and having "character" issues (which were largely from hype surrounding his limo at his commitment to ND which he had no part of setting up).

Anyway, I'm not comparing him to any other QBs on or off the Carolina roster, I'm just saying the kid can be the QB we hoped he would still.

I think potential of a QB has every thing to do with the mental aspect of the game. So everyone saying he can't throw or doesn't have the tools need to keep quiet and just see what happens. No since in booing him.

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Whenever I click on the last page of a thread, I prepare myself by accepting I'm going to hear some of the most asinine observations, such as highly touted QB prospect being put into a horrible situation last season needing to be traded if he wins us games this season, and the Huddle never fails.

Well, aside from the reading portion of the GED exam and Developing an Informed Opinion 101, the Huddle never fails.

Hate aside...

Clausen showed nothing in terms of intangibles last season. Being as this was my primary concern with Cam, Jimmy worried me when he seemed to pack it in mentally instead of inspiring his teammates with his guts and fire. That was a problem for me, even more than his looking lost on the field.

Jimmy, from what little I do know about him, loves the game and is a student of. He has played not to lose (checkdowns, short passes, etc), which hopefully the new staff has shown him that playing in such a manner doesn't necessarily mean that they will win, just that they're more concerned with not losing as opposed to winning. That might not make sense to everyone, but maybe this will: he was playing to be her friend so that he wouldn't not have sex with her, but that usually means he doesn't get in there, it just means he doesn't look like that dude so desperate for ass that he hides cameras in the ladies' stalls. Either way, he wasn't making Charlie Sheen proud :(

I don't understand how having two young guys competing to be the franchise QB is such a horrible idea to some that they have to be traded as soon as one looks remotely better.

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