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Preseason Impressions: The Quarterbacks

Mr. Scot

By Mr. Scot,
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Not all of those were commenting towards you, hence why it seems that you never referenced them!

I am going to have to disagree about Flutie and Brees. In both cases the QBs had done nothing for their respective teams, Flutie having not played and Brees posting a ~67 rating the prior year. In hindsight, yes they were in theory the better option, but pre-season there would have been little attachment to either player.

In Flutie's situation, he had only started approximately 40 games - much like Anderson. In addition both had one good season surrounded by mediocrity and poor seasons. Teams can win despite their QBs, are you going to make the same argument if Jake Delhomme were still here?

Brees was not the long term answer and had played poorly in the two seasons (he sat because of Flutie in year 1) and Rivers was drafted to replace him. There was no attachment to Brees and he had done nothing to show he was capable of winning games for SD.

Like I say, I disagree with your assesment. I feel you are sticking to your guns to prove a point. The coaches made the right call in letting these guys sit, but it wasn't because there was an immediate upgrade on the roster already. In just seems that way looking back now beause we know what the results are.

How can you disagree with Flutie being 21-9 the 3 seasons leading up to starting over a rookie.....and Brees putting in a Pro Bowl season that year as solid evidence that they were better options to start over rookie QBs for teams.

DA and Clausen aren't going to be Pro Bowlers this year (Brees) nor are they coming off years of respectable QB play (Flutie).

and again, have repeatedly stated I don't want Cam to start. Ideally, he would come in after the bye week as it come at a PERFECT time. Ideally, they would have brought in a functional vet like a Hasselbeck or McNabb to hand the job over to Cam when more ready.....but they didn't make those roster moves. They put Cam on a roster with the 2 worst QBs from 2010......that being the case it makes the most sense to start him.

Brees showed in camp and practice and preseason he was a better option than the rookie to start the year....and when the season started he end all doubt.

Clausen has been neck and neck w/ Cam all camp and DAs' only positive is they hardly let him throw and it gets spun he could be better (but he is bad).

The other rookies sat b/c there were better options. That is simply the way it was and it was PROVEN to be that way. If we had Flutie caliber vet Cam would not be starting. If we had a Matt Moore caliber QB Cam would not even be starting........but we don't.....we have the 2 worst QBs from 2010.

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It will be alot easier bringing him in sometime this season when he is closer to being ready than letting him fail early and benching him.Just because he does not start the opener doesnt preclude him from coming in later.We will not know how bad or good we really are until the season starts.Our lack of a number 2 receiver and the right side of the line is not solidifed yet.I say take a wait and see approach.It wont be a big deal if DAnderson comes out and gets humilated.He is use to it.

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How can you disagree with Flutie being 21-9 the 3 seasons leading up to starting over a rookie.....and Brees putting in a Pro Bowl season that year as solid evidence that they were better options to start over rookie QBs for teams.

DA and Clausen aren't going to be Pro Bowlers this year (Brees) nor are they coming off years of respectable QB play (Flutie).

and again, have repeatedly stated I don't want Cam to start. Ideally, he would come in after the bye week as it come at a PERFECT time. Ideally, they would have brought in a functional vet like a Hasselbeck or McNabb to hand the job over to Cam when more ready.....but they didn't make those roster moves. They put Cam on a roster with the 2 worst QBs from 2010......that being the case it makes the most sense to start him.

Brees showed in camp and practice and preseason he was a better option than the rookie to start the year....and when the season started he end all doubt.

Clausen has been neck and neck w/ Cam all camp and DAs' only positive is they hardly let him throw and it gets spun he could be better (but he is bad).

The other rookies sat b/c there were better options. That is simply the way it was and it was PROVEN to be that way. If we had Flutie caliber vet Cam would not be starting. If we had a Matt Moore caliber QB Cam would not even be starting........but we don't.....we have the 2 worst QBs from 2010.

Honestly am not interested in getting into an argument with you, I know through experience there is no point in trying to offer a different perspective to what you think.

I have stated what I think:

* Brees was the better option in hindsight, not at the seasons start.

* Flutie had as many quality seasons as DA has had, with the Bills wins not really linked to his play as he was ranked 11th and 24th in QB rating for his two years starting in Buffalo. Coincidentally did you know this guy only played approximately 2 full seasons and 2 half seasons? He was a better QB than DA, however coming into the season Brees was drafted, he had just been replaced as the Bills starter by Rob Johnson and Alex Van Pelt :eek:

Regardless, I know you will refuse to acknowledge anything in this post, so you can consider this the end of my side of the debate.

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Honestly am not interested in getting into an argument with you, I know through experience there is no point in trying to offer a different perspective to what you think.

I have stated what I think:

* Brees was the better option in hindsight, not at the seasons start.

* Flutie had as many quality seasons as DA has had, with the Bills wins not really linked to his play as he was ranked 11th and 24th in QB rating for his two years starting in Buffalo. Coincidentally did you know this guy only played approximately 2 full seasons and 2 half seasons? He was a better QB than DA, however coming into the season Brees was drafted, he had just been replaced as the Bills starter by Rob Johnson and Alex Van Pelt :eek:

Regardless, I know you will refuse to acknowledge anything in this post, so you can consider this the end of my side of the debate.

so then Brees didn't show to clearly be a better option in OTA, camp, and all of preseason than the rookie?

as far as Flutie goes....he was an experienced vet who was playing well. The 3 years prior to the opening day start both had been spot starters for different teams......only difference is the 3 yrs prior Flute went 21-9 as a spot starter and DA went 8-17.

So again, I fail to see how we have any thing similar on our roster to go to.

and my opinion can be changed......but when you say an 8-17 vet spot starter is the same as a 21-9 spot starter the 3 seasons leading up to the decision of if he is better suited than a rookie.....that ain't enough to change my opinion.

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Theres a highlight video of Cam Newton on NFL.com Its pretty interesting...even though it shows just the better of his plays...it shows that when he has time to survey the field...he delivers nice passes...and evades pressure/throw on the run...something that Jimmy lacks...

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