Pat Yasinskas "unleash Newton"

[rayzor]

The whole argument about him being a running threat isn't to say that he was a bad QB, but his running ability helps make him look like a better passer than he may really be. When teams are selling out to stop the run, most QBs can hit a wide open WR.

agreed. he is growing as a QB and he will continue to do so. experience will only expedite that. as he is growing, though, his ability as a runner will help him and this offense to be more of a threat to opposing offenses.

the thing that is going to help is having him be just enough of a wildcard as a runner scripted or unscripted that defenses actually have commit players who do nothing but spy on him. cam and the offense needs to throw just enough downfield that they can't allocate all their resources to stopping the run. it's going to have to be very aggressive but also very balanced.

It seems pretty clear to me that they've restricted Newton from running in the preseason 1) to prevent injury 2) to not provide any more scouting material then they have to and 3) as a developmental tactic

Most folks misunderstand what it meant to "game plan" for the 3rd preseason game... it didn't mean we were going to lift up our skirt and show the rest of the NFL how babies are made, it just meant we were going to install some basic offensive and defensive plays to address what the Bengals had put on tape thus far (which wasn't much either). You could see in the 3rd preseason game that they gave Cam the green light to scramble a little more aggressively and the results were pretty good.

Given the transition Cam is making, it doesn't surprise me that they first want to develop him as a pocket passer before they allow him to use his athleticism. The fear is if they allow him to run at this stage, it will hinder his development as a passer because he will become dependent on his athleticism when things start to break down instead of standing tall in the pocket and searching for a target (see Vick in the ATL)

The moral of the story? Patience my children, this is a process and I don't think we've shown 10% of what we plan to do on offense yet.

well said and agreed 100%.

[TheOracle]

Please stop talking about Andrew fugging Luck.

I'm talking about the Panthers, not Andrew Luck, duh.

Andrew Luck, exists in the universe, duh.

Had he and Cam Newton been in the Draft this year, the Panthers would have taken Luck, therefore, Luck is who they wanted, duh.

Therefore, whether they take Luck next year is all up to how well Cam does and whether the Panthers are sitting at #1 next year also, duh.

Of course the Panthers are thinking exactly like what I'm saying here, whether or not they ever speak it, which of course they won't. It's so, so I'm saying it.

I think they'll let Cam do whatever he can do, and see how it goes. No need to hold back on anything, in their minds, since it could be a win/win situation, either way (not guaranteed, of course).

[CRA]

QUARTERBACKS is the key, not dual threat guys who want to sub as running backs.

Those that successfully groomed QB's had them learn to take their drops, and deliver the ball on time and on target. If they have mobility then sure run if ALL other options aren't open.

Yaz is another idiot that thinks the NFL is NCAA.

With Cam's unique size you would be foolish NOT to run him in the NFL....as not always a last resort but intentional.

[TylerVagyler]

I'm talking about the Panthers, not Andrew Luck, duh.

Andrew Luck, exists in the universe, duh.

Had he and Cam Newton been in the Draft this year, the Panthers would have taken Luck, therefore, Luck is who they wanted, duh.

Therefore, whether they take Luck next year is all up to how well Cam does and whether the Panthers are sitting at #1 next year also, duh.

Of course the Panthers are thinking exactly like what I'm saying here, whether or not they ever speak it, which of course they won't. It's so, so I'm saying it.

But what you're saying is nothing new or ground breaking. Of course if Cam Newton comes out and blows balls we will give thought to drafting Luck. Why wouldn't we?

But there is no way the staff is sitting there thinking, "Hey, fug this guy. Let's just have him run wild and see what happens. I mean, if he sucks, fug it, we can just get Andrew Luck. Duh."

If that is the mentality behind this team, I want a new team to cheer for.

[CRA]

I repeat: If they let him run wild, they'll do it because they plan on drafting Andrew Luck next Draft.

If Cam survives, and thrives even a little, the Panthers won't be in a position to draft Luck. If he fails, or gets injured, then they have their excuse when they're sitting back at #1 next season.

It's not complicated. If Cam fails or succeeds, it's a win/win situation for the organization. If he fails miserably, and like Clausen, shows that there's no chance he'll ever be worth it, they get Luck, their QB of the future. If he succeeds, they've got their QB of the future.

But letting him run a lot, increases the chances he'll get injured, but with the line as bad as it is, he'll be running for his life anyway.

You can repeat it but you are still wrong.....

if they want Luck they won't run him except as a last resort and force him into being a pocket QB.

If they let him loose....Cam will find some success and the #1 pick will out of the picture pending he stays healthy. Cam presents mismatches not even Vick presented when first arrived. A Cam blueprint will be needed.....bc if you spread a NFL defense out you simply can't defend him as a runner with nickel and dime standard personel

[YoungPanthers89]

let the beast loose

[teeray]

The idea that these linebackers are suddenly going to kill a 6'5 250 pound man is laughable.

:cam:

The romanticizing of just how incredibly destructive LBs of the NFL are has become incredibly overblown at this point.

Generally they aren't that much stronger than any college LB. They are faster, more fundamentally sound, and smarter. Linebackers don't go from wimpy college kids to super humans just bc they get drafted into the NFL.

I personally know a guy that played linebacker in high school that is likely stronger than 90% of NFL LBs but he never even played much in college. He couldn't tackle and had no lateral movement.

I agree we don't want Cam running 20 times a game but give me a break. The LBs that Marshawn Lynch ran all over and stiff armed all over the place in the playoffs last year aren't supermen.

[TheOracle]

But what you're saying is nothing new or ground breaking. Of course if Cam Newton comes out and blows balls we will give thought to drafting Luck. Why wouldn't we?

But there is no way the staff is sitting there thinking, "Hey, fug this guy. Let's just have him run wild and see what happens. I mean, if he sucks, fug it, we can just get Andrew Luck. Duh."

If that is the mentality behind this team, I want a new team to cheer for.

As if they have to be "sitting there thinking" it, for it to be on the mind. A smart man would say, they're saying, "let's play this guy this year and see if he can handle this job, because we need to know for sure", and you know what, that man would be saying exactly what I just did, because that's what they really mean.

[TheOracle]

You can repeat it but you are still wrong.....

if they want Luck they won't run him except as a last resort and force him into being a pocket QB.

If they let him loose....Cam will find some success and the #1 pick will out of the picture pending he stays healthy. Cam presents mismatches not even Vick presented when first arrived. A Cam blueprint will be needed.....bc if you spread a NFL defense out you simply can't defend him as a runner with nickel and dime standard personel

You just repeated what I said.

Next.

[I am Hubby]

I'm talking about the Panthers, not Andrew Luck, duh.

Andrew Luck, exists in the universe, duh.

Had he and Cam Newton been in the Draft this year, the Panthers would have taken Luck, therefore, Luck is who they wanted, duh.

Therefore, whether they take Luck next year is all up to how well Cam does and whether the Panthers are sitting at #1 next year also, duh.

Of course the Panthers are thinking exactly like what I'm saying here, whether or not they ever speak it, which of course they won't. It's so, so I'm saying it.

It sure makes your points so much stronger when you throw in those "Duhs".

I can hear JR now. "Let's take that Newton kid, if he doesn't work out, we are only out $22 million. But hey, we will get that kid from Stanford."

Yeah, I can see that. Oh wait... I am not that gulible.

And GOOOOO PANTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TylerVagyler]

As if they have to be "sitting there thinking" it, for it to be on the mind. A smart man would say, they're saying, "let's play this guy this year and see if he can handle this job, because we need to know for sure", and you know what, that man would be saying exactly what I just did, because that's what they really mean.

It's just a horrible mentality to have. Let's not worry about who we are going to pick in next year's draft. We have a young QB with loads of talent. Instead winging it this year, how about we invest in who we have now. We drafted Cam because we believe he can be great and we have faith that one day he will be a great QB.

[footballisasport]

:thumbsup:

Got to love how ESPN puts a negative spin on everything Cam does yet use his talent consistantly to make their point and get attention.

Now Cam runs at the slightest. When he sat in the pocket in the first game this same guy protested that Cam should have ran.

These athletes no longer get to prove themselves when u have folks like ESPN dictating their future and fans easily buying into everything they read.:leaving:

[TheOracle]

It sure makes your points so much stronger when you throw in those "Duhs".

I can hear JR now. "Let's take that Newton kid, if he doesn't work out, we are only out $22 million. But hey, we will get that kid from Stanford."

Yeah, I can see that. Oh wait... I am not that gulible.

And GOOOOO PANTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Much easier to say when that $22 million is less than the guaranteed portion of Bradford's contract.

Let me put it in familiar terms for you, since that's what most people want to hear. I think the Panthers plan all along has been to play Cam Newton this year, not just to get him experience, but to see if he can handle the job. Everyone saw after one year that Clausen couldn't (his main problem is he doesn't have the arm strength) so they drafted over him. Clausen would need the best offensive line and receivers in the world to be anything because his arm is so weak. If Newton, for whatever reason, falls apart, and the Panthers end up with the first pick, they'll be taking Luck, but if Newton shows that he's grasping the mental aspects of the position and shows promising signs that he could turn into something special, then they either won't be in a position to draft Luck, or even if they are, his play will force the Panthers to shop that #1 pick for other draft picks, because they'll look two-faced if they don't, so Cam will be their QB of the future.

I'm not going to say whether or not I hope he succeeds, because it's irrelevant. All that matters is the logic behind how the Panthers are handling Cam. They believe, rightly so, that they have to know without a shadow of a doubt, whether or not he's their guy heading into next year's draft. Getting injured would be the same as playing terribly, because they still won't know if he can be "the guy", so they'll still draft Luck if they are at #1 if Cam gets knocked out too early to show what he's made of.

It's rational, not malicious.

[Zod]

I'm not interested in him running. Running QB's do not win Superbowls.

I am interesting in him learning to use his feet properly to buy time in the pocket.

Those QB's do win Superbowls.