A few thoughts everyone should remember about Sunday

[PantherFanForLife]

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are making nonsensical statements not rooted in psychological constructs. Wanting to win at any cost is not a telling sign of narcisism, it a sign of a highly competitive nature. Some highly competitive people are narcissists but not all. A narcisist would say he won the argument whether he did or not and want affirmation that he is correct by consensus from others.Narcissists don't bask in the pain of others (sadists and antisocial personalities do), narcissists minimize the pain of others by believing they are histrionic and rationalize that their own feelings are more important than those of the other person.

Sorry but reading a few articles and taking psych 101 in college don't qualify you to know much about psychology theory.

I hope you realize you just took a joke post and decided to argue that instead of anything else I stated.

And you're right it doesn't. But reading the definition of a narcissist from, wikipedia, marriam webster, dictionary.com, Sigmund Freud, and a million other sources that describe make it clear as day...and understanding it does qualify me to use it correctly.

My question is why is this so hard for you and him?

[frash.exe]

lol sigmund freud

man he's really digging deep for some psychology references

[PantherFanForLife]

Not a fact, it's a supposition, a guess, a theory, a reach, an idea....NOT A FACT.

Oh.My.God.

If I define you as a brick wall. And then I say Flopping is a brick wall. That sentence is a fact. You still don't get this concept, do you?

The issue has been for the past 20 pages, that my definition is a minority definition. You keep telling me yours, is a majority. YOU STILL, STILL have not backed this up YET!

You continue to wiggle yourself out of this. Now you're trying to discredit psychology all together. Why the hell are you even arguing with me then?

[Floppin]

Oh.My.God.

If I define you as a brick wall. And then I say Flopping is a brick wall. That sentence is a fact. You still don't get this concept, do you?

The issue has been for the past 20 pages, that my definition is a minority definition. You keep telling me yours, is a majority. YOU STILL, STILL have not backed this up YET!

Wait, so the definition of a Narcissist is an ancient greek warrior and king of Macedon who lead Greece to it's largest imperialistic state?

[PantherFanForLife]

Wait, so the definition of a Narcissist is an ancient greek warrior and king of Macedon who lead Greece to it's largest imperialistic state?

You tell me because you keep telling me YOU KNOW the MAJORITY definition of a narcissist. I'm wrong....according to you, and a few others. I showed you my sources. Over 20 so far.

You show me yours! Put up or STFU!

[Floppin]

So if I say the world is flat, then draw a map of a flat world, does that make the world flat?

[PantherFanForLife]

So if I say the world is flat, then draw a map of a flat world, does that make the world flat?

Answer the question!

[Floppin]

You've defined narcissism yourself, it's your application and diagnosis variance that is in the minority, as well as your Maccoby expansive explanations.

[panthers55]

That's just the thing. You are incorrect on that account. The general definition of narcissist is that which I posted from X amount of sources to show you that what you think, "the majority of you" is the accepted definition, is NOT in fact the general definition of narcissism.

It's simply put an admiration for oneself. That IS the clearly understood general and simple definition of a narcissist.

The definition you are confusing yourself with, is that of a person diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder.

No you are one confused. Look at this discusion where they use the term interchangeably.

The Narcissist

Narcissism is a personality disorder, one of ten documented in the psychological literature. The common understanding is that narcissists are 'in love with' themselves and see the world as revolving around their thoughts and needs. To narcissists, the world is their audience, and everyone they meet—and everything that happens—is centered on them. Thus, we describe narcissists as self-centered, selfish, demanding and self-absorbed; yet, they can also be quite charming as well, having learned how to please their audience. True narcissists make up only about one percent of the general population—the same base rate as psychopaths. They are drawn to careers that allow them to receive the attention and power they crave, and to exert influence over others, reinforcing their perceived self-importance, the same as the psychopath; hence, it is not surprising to find a large number of both drawn to executive-level jobs.

The 'Normal'

The diagnostic problem (and subsequent coaching problem) is further complicated by the fact that most 'normal' (non-narcissist) executives also possess some feelings of superiority, entitlement and need for attention. But, these are typically at moderate levels and, while they may be viewed as narcissistic, they can better be described as narcissistic tendencies, rather than full-fledged narcissism. In fact, some degree of ego strength and self-efficacy is a good trait among executives and can lead them to success.

http://www.wabccoaches.com/blog/psychopath-or-narcissist-the-coachs-dilemma-by-paul-babiak-phd/

How about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Narcissistic_Personality_Inventory

Note that lack of empathy that you noted was a sign of narcissism is a sign of destructive narcissism or NPD not healthy narcissism. On the other hand self confidence and empathy for others is a part of normal narcissism as I noted. Seems you are using parts of them interchangeably as well.

Notice how they are used interchangeably again.

http://www.narcissisticabuse.com/

As I noted repeatedly, they are used interchangeably by most people and in most situations. Even you use characteristics of both interchangeably. So again let it go. You are wrong and only making it worse by your continued arguing.

[PantherFanForLife]

You've defined narcissism yourself, it's your application and diagnosis variance that is in the minority, as well as your Maccoby expansive explanations.

No I didn't. I posted a reply with about 7 different links to 7 different sources to what the definition of a narcissist is, which is the same one I agree with.

Maccoby simply talked about narcissism and leadership, and simply addressed the positives of narcissism where he stated various leaders that fit the description of what everybody in the MAJORITY, knows to be for a narcissist.

I didn't define narcissism. The psychology field, dictionaries and encyclopedias did. I simply already knew its actual meaning. I'm still waiting for you to prove to me, that the definition I posted from my sources, isn't in fact the actual "majority" definition.

4 million posts later..you STILL don't want to show me any proof. Because you freaking have none. Because that IS in fact that definition of narcissism.

[Floppin]

No I didn't. I posted a reply with about 7 different links to 7 different sources to what the definition of a narcissist is, which is the same one I agree with.

Maccoby simply talked about narcissism and leadership, and simply addressed the positives of narcissism where he stated various leaders that fit the description of what everybody in the MAJORITY, knows to be for a narcissist.

I didn't define narcissism. The psychology field, dictionaries and encyclopedias did. I simply already knew its actual meaning. I'm still waiting for you to prove to me, that the definition I posted from my sources, isn't in fact the actual "majority" definition.

4 million posts later..you STILL don't want to show me any proof. Because you freaking have none. Because that IS in fact that definition of narcissism.

Your understanding of this whole topic is so wrong it's comical.

[Fiz]

I simply already knew its actual meaning. I'm still waiting for you to prove to me, that the definition I posted from my sources, isn't in fact the actual "majority" definition.

You've made a positive statement. The burden of proof is on you there bucko.

[Fiz]

Like I don't even want to get involved in this thread. A pedantic debate about PF4L's lexicon would be like......something so easy that....uh....i can't think of a simile extreme enough.

[panthers55]

I hope you realize you just took a joke post and decided to argue that instead of anything else I stated.

And you're right it doesn't. But reading the definition of a narcissist from, wikipedia, marriam webster, dictionary.com, Sigmund Freud, and a million other sources that describe make it clear as day...and understanding it does qualify me to use it correctly.

My question is why is this so hard for you and him?

It isn't hard for me, I know what I am talking about and from what I read, so does floppin. You seem to be one with the problem here. I have shown you where they are used interchangeably and still you argue.

Why not give it up while you are behind. Do you think arguing continuously makes you right. Look at the responses from other posters which I would define as representative of the majority view. We all agree. Stop using esoteric and historical references, we all know what we are talking about. Why keep up the argument, you clearly are swaying no one.