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IR Lists Don't Doom Everyone . . .

RevJ

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Amid the talk of our season lost due to IR - remember last year. One team lost 15 to IR, including key starters. Their result - World Champions. They played a key late season game against another team with huge IR losses - the New England Patriots.

Among this year's "leaders" with # on IR

Bills - 11

Pats - 9

Jags - 16

Giants - 10 (9 on D)

Lions - 8

I know, stats are for losers - so ar

e excuses.

Rosters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NFL_team_rosters

Pack Overcomes

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5923437

Pats Don't Quit Either

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4689786/packers-patriots-know-about-ir

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My point was that the heart of Yas' ESPN article (on Hurney liking direction we are headed) and many posts on this board keep leaning on the IR problem. (I would share how many, but "search is not my friend")

No doubt it is an issue, but it has been overcome by others before. The Packers were putting people on the field last year that they were pulling out of traffic to get to games.

I just wouldn't rank it as top problem. My order would be something like:

1. We do not get in position, but if we happen to find ourselves there we cannot tackle.

2. Our ST would be low ranked in some college divisions.

3. We have more penalties than the archenemies of the IRS - but feel more comfortable lamenting how we get bad calls.

4. We have won all kinds of battles (total yardage, time of possession, etc.) but can't seem to win wars.

5. We have been hit hard by injuries - IR monster.

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My point was that the heart of Yas' ESPN article (on Hurney liking direction we are headed) and many posts on this board keep leaning on the IR problem. (I would share how many, but "search is not my friend")

No doubt it is an issue, but it has been overcome by others before. The Packers were putting people on the field last year that they were pulling out of traffic to get to games.

I just wouldn't rank it as top problem. My order would be something like:

1. We do not get in position, but if we happen to find ourselves there we cannot tackle.

2. Our ST would be low ranked in some college divisions.

3. We have more penalties than the archenemies of the IRS - but feel more comfortable lamenting how we get bad calls.

4. We have won all kinds of battles (total yardage, time of possession, etc.) but can't seem to win wars.

5. We have been hit hard by injuries - IR monster.

I don't know that people here solely blame IR'd players. It's the players that are on IR that kill you. Starting offensive tackle who's backup may or may not get Cam killed, the heart and sole of the team, let alone the defense in Davis and Beason, the #2 receiver and deep threat Gettis, the run stuffing DT in Edwards. Put all that aside, and we are playing in a new system with new coaches and new verbage and schemes, so it's not like guys are so comfortable with it that they can pick up the slack when guys drop. Two rookie DT's too? There are a ton ofreasons why we are where we are, but certainly IR factors into it pretty heavily.

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Chemistry also goes a long way to having a winning team when players go down. With the Panthers this year, short training camp, new coaches and schemes...there just wasn't time to come together as a team.

Since I don't follow the 49ers anymore, not sure how much changing Harbaugh did, but with the way they are playing I am going to say he really didn't change much other than the attitude.

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JR, Hurney and Rivera decided this was going to be a developmental year.

San Franciso, for example, did not take this approach. They did what it took to be competitive this year.

We can lean on our injuries but the fact remains it was an organizational decision. If you agree with it fine. If you don't, well there really isn't a lot any of us can do but b!tch.

Inventing more excuses though, does not do the organization any good.

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JR, Hurney and Rivera decided this was going to be a developmental year.

San Franciso, for example, did not take this approach. They did what it took to be competitive this year.

We can lean on our injuries but the fact remains it was an organizational decision. If you agree with it fine. If you don't, well there really isn't a lot any of us can do but b!tch.

Inventing more excuses though, does not do the organization any good.

This is why the Panthers will be better than the 49er's in a couple years!
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Bottom line is not the number of players on IR but the quality of the players on IR. Five starters which includes the middle of your defense is the problem. Also with the guys being on IR your backups are having to play in the "starting role" which effects the quality of your special teams.

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Bottom line is not the number of players on IR but the quality of the players on IR. Five starters which includes the middle of your defense is the problem. Also with the guys being on IR your backups are having to play in the "starting role" which effects the quality of your special teams.
very well said.

sure, you can list a lot of teams that have a lot of guys on IR and who do well...but who are the guys they had on IR? were they starters or second stringers?

green bay had a lot of injuries last year, but that was overplayed. what key players/starters were they without?

we are without 6 starters, including THE leaders on defense.

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