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ladypanther

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For the season, Carolina outscored its opponents in the first quarter (plus-13) and in the second quarter (plus-31). But they were minus-7 overall in the third quarter and then a staggering minus-60 in the fourth. There's the difference in the season.

http://scottfowlerobs.blogspot.com/2012/01/on-cam-polian-and-nfl.html

So....generally the Panthers were toast after halftime. Seems other teams made adjustments and the Panthers did not?

Is this about having young players? New coaching staff?

Do you think this will be a worry in the future? It has haunted our past.

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Bad defense got worse in the second half in most of our games.

This lead to pushing the envelope more with a rookie QB.

I thought several times this season the second half woes could be the offense trying to shorten the game (especially if we had a lead) b/c they knew the defense was going to give up points.

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Three things, inexperience, chemistry and failure of the defense. Form the team to the coaches. Young players getting to know the professional game. Getting to know one another, coaches getting to know our team and team needs for their future plans. Seems to me that finishing a game was heavily reliant on the defensive playing. Rarely an offense can keep pace with the worst defense in the league and our offense thrives off momentum, to know you have to put up 30, 40+ points to be in a game is tough.

While there are a few things all playing a role in the Panther's inability to finish games, if you want to narrow it down to one main thing I think once our defense steps up you'll see us finish out games with more momentum. In the meanwhile chemistry and experience are something only time gives. Cam's 'stupid' rookie mistakes will eventually subside as well.

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watching the game I've seen obvious adjustments at certain points in the game.

the idea that the 2nd half has some major twist in the game plan just isn't the case.. adjustments are occurring after every drive, hell- every play.. when the run game gets stuffed, the OC adjusts his calls.. when the QBs passes are sailing on him, the OC adjusts his calls...

most of the adjustments I've seen come at times when Cam is trying to hard or just not in rhythm.

I believe the stat is we've been up by 21 points 12 out of 16 games? (can't remember, but you all get the point).. those stats in the 2nd half actually prove that Chud is adjusting to run out the clock more often than not..

I've seen Cam struggle the most in the 3rd quarter, and more often than not you see more screens and shorter passes when Cam is called to pass...

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as most people have referenced, we've been up well over 75% of the games we've played.. IIRC, we've even had a 21 point lead in 12 out of 16 games.. (can't remember the exact stat)

but I'd like to address the idea that the 2nd half is built around any major adjustments. Aside from being up a lot of points and noticing a major adjustment in play calling (directed more towards running the ball, wasting time), adjustments are occurring after every drive, hell- every play.. when the run game gets stuffed, the OC adjusts his calls.. when the QBs passes are sailing on him, the OC adjusts his calls...

most of the adjustments I've seen come at times when Cam is trying to hard or just not in rhythm. You will notice more screens, shorter passes, even handing the ball off to settle him down.. I think the most inconsistent I've seen Cam is in the 3rd quarter... a lot of that COULD be after a few games, he knows if he doesn't put up 21 more points, the game is lost..

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Finding out how many points we score in the third and fourth would go a long way to determining if it's the offense or defense that begins to crumble. If we still score decent points, but the D falls apart, we go in the red.

I think you'd probably find that the offense let off the gas in some games, and without the added pressure on the opposing offense benefitting our defense, they, well, showed their true colors.

Without the offense dictating the course of the game strategically, the D shatters.

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That can also be pointed out as good game planning from the coaches. They figure out how to attack other teams while hiding their weaknesses. If you go in to halftime with a lead and everything is going well there's no need to change things up. It's a double edged blade.

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http://scottfowlerobs.blogspot.com/2012/01/on-cam-polian-and-nfl.html

So....generally the Panthers were toast after halftime. Seems other teams made adjustments and the Panthers did not?

Is this about having young players? New coaching staff?

Do you think this will be a worry in the future? It has haunted our past.

What I saw on Sunday was what I suspected when I read the postings on this site. I personally feel the problem as to why the Panthers were doing well in the first half and not as well in the second is because other teams made adjustments but it seemed the Panthers didn't.

When the opposing team, both offense and defense, implemented their adjustments, the Panthers didn't always have an answer and started pressing. When you press you make more mistakes. When you press, you get sloppy...When you press you get frustrated and give up. Evenmore is, when the offense pressed, the defense seem to relax.

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http://scottfowlerobs.blogspot.com/2012/01/on-cam-polian-and-nfl.html

Do you think this will be a worry in the future? It has haunted our past.

this is just a personal opinion, so take it with a grain of salt..

however I believe the run 1st mentality is prone to a lack of adjustments.. in order to win games, you must continue to smash the ball between the tackles to wear out defenses..

I think we'll see more obvious adjustments with a pass first type philosophy.. You must hit different parts of the field, whether it be short to open up the deep pass, the outside routes toward the sideline in cover 2, so on and so forth.. different passes must be executed and you have several parts of the field to locate to keep the defense on their toes.. the run becomes more of an option instead of a requirement. an errant pass at best means a loss of down and at worst an INT, so the need to adjust becomes more important...

Just a theory I have.. you tend to see more old school coaches blamed for a lack of adjustments more so than you do pass first coaches because one is more obvious than the other to fans..

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