Kiper: Nothing 'pressing' for Panthers

[Fox007]

Ex players aren't always the best at judging talent either (just like they are usually ish head coaches). Mayock is an ex-player who was kind of a scrub type guy, but he knows his ish.

Mayock is the best of the 3 'main' ones IMO.

It's so funny the little spats the ESPN guys have to determine who the draft guru is over there.

Meanwhile Mike Mayock at NFL Network quietly kicks their ass every year.

:biggrin5: yea I agree.

[Fox007]

Well I am really, REALLY stupid then (not as stupid as Snyderrato or Jerrah though...lol).

Na you're not stupid, Football has a lot of history behind it now, that's a big help.

Most people learn by playing, but the facts and theories behind the X's and O's can be researched by anyone.

I played for a total of 6 years in my life, and I have learned just as much by watching and reading(and listening) as I did while playing.

Perfect example is watching tape. You can see visually how to exploit something, or to shore up your technique.

[stirs]

It's so funny the little spats the ESPN guys have to determine who the draft guru is over there.

Meanwhile Mike Mayock at NFL Network quietly kicks their ass every year.

Last statement here is all that needs to be said. Nail meets head.

[Lone Buc Fan]

I'd almost bet if Carolina would have had the ammunition, they would have taken Cutler and dropped Jake to the Broncos.

The Broncos wanted a considerable amount and Jay is one of only a few franchise QBs for the next 5 years... The Broncos wanted a veteran QB and had Carolina had the right picks.. I can see them as the ones being a favorite to land Cutler.

[Fireball77]

Na you're not stupid, Football has a lot of history behind it now, that's a big help.

Most people learn by playing, but the facts and theories behind the X's and O's can be researched by anyone.

I played for a total of 6 years in my life, and I have learned just as much by watching and reading(and listening) as I did while playing.

Perfect example is watching tape. You can see visually how to exploit something, or to shore up your technique.

That's interesting that you have learned as much by watching and reading as you did while playing. Would you say that having played gives you a bit of an advantage with knowing what to look for when watching tape though (coaches' tape I assume)?

[Fox007]

That's interesting that you have learned as much by watching and reading as you did while playing. Would you say that having played gives you a bit of an advantage with knowing what to look for when watching tape though (coaches' tape I assume)?

It doesn't hurt, but yea it was coaches tape.

When you have played you understand the terminology, and what is what.

Such as the gaps, gap integrity, staying 'home'.

Basic routes, what a coverage is and is supposed to look like.

You go over all that stuff on the field, but when you can see yourself do it, its just different.

I only played 1(non full year) of college, before I was annihilated.

Not like I was going to make it to the NFL at a big 5' 4" 143

[Jackofalltrades]

Mayock and McShay are both way better than Kiper, though I mostly agree with him here.

[Jackofalltrades]

I'd almost bet if Carolina would have had the ammunition, they would have taken Cutler and dropped Jake to the Broncos.

The Broncos wanted a considerable amount and Jay is one of only a few franchise QBs for the next 5 years... The Broncos wanted a veteran QB and had Carolina had the right picks.. I can see them as the ones being a favorite to land Cutler.

I completely disagree, wouldn't have gotten Cutler if we had three first round picks.

[Lone Buc Fan]

With how Cutler gives up when he gets abused, I wouldn't want him either. His talent is undeniable but his heart is questioned when the pressure is on...

The only real strong point to Jake is his heart as he'll take a ass kicking and keep fighting through it. Jake talent wise as a QB, I would rather be stuck with the guys I have on the Bucs then him... but his heart is definatley unquestionable.

[Jangler]

I'd almost bet if Carolina would have had the ammunition, they would have taken Cutler and dropped Jake to the Broncos.

The Broncos wanted a considerable amount and Jay is one of only a few franchise QBs for the next 5 years... The Broncos wanted a veteran QB and had Carolina had the right picks.. I can see them as the ones being a favorite to land Cutler.

No.

[MadHatter]

I'd almost bet if Carolina would have had the ammunition, they would have taken Cutler and dropped Jake to the Broncos.

The Broncos wanted a considerable amount and Jay is one of only a few franchise QBs for the next 5 years... The Broncos wanted a veteran QB and had Carolina had the right picks.. I can see them as the ones being a favorite to land Cutler.

Well, that comment there shows that you know absolutely nothing about the Panthers organization....yet, you continue to live on its message board.

[DOUBLETROUBLE28]

stop] dissing kiper

[N'wahlinsCayenne]

What exactly did Mel Kiper do before he became a "draft guru"? Anybody know?

Wikipedia: "Kiper is president of Kiper Enterprises, which he founded in 1981 while in college. It is responsible for all aspects of a series of annual publications including the NFL Draft Report and Draft Preview.[1] Kiper Enterprises continues to operate, offering information about future NFL draft prospects..."

[Lone Buc Fan]

Well I guess you just took credit from Jake, saved me some hard work here guys .

I guess Jake wouldn't of been the best possible vet QB who could have been traded to the Broncos toward Cutler if you had the draft picks.

I guess Kyle Orton > Jake Delhomme. Sweet.