Gregg Williams Urged Saints To Injure 49Ers

[megadeth078]

when tf is the hammer coming down on vilma and the rest of these turds?

I'd imagine that punishing players would be a more bureaucratic process with the NFLPA and all that nonsense.

The punishments are coming. Hopefully, its during the summer, so we have something to tide us over until preseason.

:cam:

[Highlandfire]

Honestly, everyone involved in this should be banned from the NFL.

And criminal charges filed

[Mr. Scot]

So I finally had the chance to read Michael Silver's writeup and get the details of the story (had a checkup at the doctor's office this morning). Link is here: Source: Gregg Williams instructed Saints during speech to injure Niners offensive players

The speech occurred in a hotel the night before the game in a defense only meeting, so Brees and the offensive guys wouldn't have been privy. That said, they know now, so it'll be interesting to hear reactions - particularly Brees' - to the story if they come out. Wouldn't surprise me if they just tried to pretend the story didn't come out. I'd say at this point they're probably well-practiced at pretending things didn't happen (to their knowledge, of course).

For those who haven't listened to the video or seen the story, here are some of the more pertinent quotes from Williams:

"We hit [expletive] Smith right there’ – then he points under his chin [and continues] – ‘remember me.’ Then he rubs his thumb against his index and middle fingers – the cash sign – and says, ‘I got the first one. I got the first one. Go get it. Go lay that [expletive] out.’

“We’ve got to do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore’s head,” Williams told the players. “We want him running sideways. We want his head sideways... We need to decide on how many times we can meet Frank Gore’s head.”

(that is not a metaphor)

Then, referencing backup halfback Kendall Hunter, Williams continued: “Little 32, we want to knock the [expletive] out of him. He has no idea what he’s in for. When he’s on the sideline, we’ve gotta turn that [expletive] over, turn their coaches over, turn the spectators over. Go and get that [expletive] on the sidelines.”

“We need to find out in the first two series of the game, the little wide receiver, No. 10, about his concussion Williams said to the Saints’ defenders. “We need to [expletive] put a lick on him, move him to decide. He needs to decide.”

“We need to decide whether Crabtree wants to be a fake-ass prima donna or he wants to be a tough guy. We need to find that out, and he becomes human when you [expletive] take out that outside ACL.”

"We need to decide how many times we can bull rush and we can [expletive] clip Vernon Davis’ ankles over the pile … respect comes from them fearing us.”

Wow :(

Anyone who wants to claim they were just playing "good, clean, hard football" has pretty much nothing to stand on now.

[teeray]

What a disgrace. I thought when I started listening to this that it was going to be heavy with innuendo and metaphors that could be construed in several different ways. I was wrong. That was blatant and troubling. Gregg Williams should never be allowed to coach football again. Sad, sad, sad.

[megadeth078]

So I finally had the chance to read Michael Silver's writeup and get the details of the story (had a checkup at the doctor's office this morning). Link is here: Source: Gregg Williams instructed Saints during speech to injure Niners offensive players

The speech occurred in a hotel the night before the game in a defense only meeting, so Brees and the offensive guys wouldn't have been privy. That said, they know now, so it'll be interesting to hear reactions - particularly Brees' - to the story if they come out. Wouldn't surprise me if they just tried to pretend the story didn't come out. I'd say at this point they're probably well-practiced at pretending things didn't happen (to their knowledge, of course).

For those who haven't listened to the video or seen the story, here are some of the more pertinent quotes from Williams:

(that is not a metaphor)

Wow :(

Anyone who wants to claim they were just playing "good, clean, hard football" has pretty much nothing to stand on now.

“We’ve got to do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore’s head,” Williams told the players. “We want him running sideways. We want his head sideways... We need to decide on how many times we can meet Frank Gore’s head.”

I could have sworn the quote was "beat Frank Gore's head."

Are you saying it's different, or is that a typo?

[Wyank]

Link

A source told PFT’s Mike Florio that Gleason, who has been diagnosed with ALS, had joined up with Pamphilon to make private recordings that could some day be given to Gleason’s son, so that he could get to know his dad after he was no longer alive. Gleason plans to issue a statement saying that Pamphilon was not authorized to publicize what he recorded.

Pamphilon was invited to San Francisco because Gleason was there to visit a doctor in the Bay Area, and when Gleason was included in Saints meetings before the game against the 49ers, Pamphilon was allowed in as well. But the Saints believed — wrongly, it would turn out — that Pamphilon was going to share what he recorded only with the Gleason family, not with the general public.

Well there goes the "this guy maybe main whistle blower theory. Only there for that meeting.

[Mr. Scot]

I could have sworn the quote was "beat Frank Gore's head."

Are you saying it's different, or is that a typo?

I cut and pasted dircectly from the article, but there was more than one quote about Gore. I'll look again.

Update: Can't find the word "beat" in the articles, but it might have been in the recording.

[Pantherman]

So normally, I don't spend a lot of time on opposing fans messageboard. But I went over there just to see what they were saying about this. My God, those mother fuggers are the most dumbest ignorant homers of any fanbase I've ever seen.

Funny thing is that those Saint's fans think Goodell will hand their team the SB Trophy to them in NO in this year SB. Problem with the dumb Sain't fans is that they think their team is the best in the world and they act like their team have won the SB 4 times in a row in the past 4 years. Saint's fan seem to block out the 40 years of darkness their team had before Dree Brees came along and gave them a good QB to get to the SB. Pretty much the Saint's fan are living in a fantasy world and not in reality. When they go 2-12 this year. The fans will see how crappy they really are.

[megadeth078]

I cut and pasted dircectly from the article, but there was more than one quote about Gore. I'll look again.

Update: Can't find the word "beat" in the articles, but it might have been in the recording.

Just listened to the recording again. He's definitely saying "beat".

I agree though. There are no metaphors here. This guy needs to be banned.

[Pantherman]

Goodell needs to drop the hammer on these sick cheaters. Loomis and payton were in charge. They can deny knowledge all they wish, its your JOB to know. Suspend them both for 2 seasons. Gregg Williams will never coach in the NFL again after this.

Yea because after all this goes down. Greg Williams might be lucky to even get a job at a local highscool coaching football. LOL

[Mr. Scot]

Just listened to the recording again. He's definitely saying "beat".

I agree though. There are no metaphors here. This guy needs to be banned.

The article says "meet" but the audio sounds like "beat" to me too.

[Wyank]

Fletcher Mackel ‏ @FletcherMackel

NFL Network "if this audio recording of Williams is new, league could add to current punishments & punishment for players could be extreme."

Fletcher Mackel ‏ @FletcherMackel

Charley Casserly on new Gregg Williams audio "this is the ultimate sign of arrogance by the Saints organization."

[Mr. Scot]

I gotta think the league's "no comment" stance on the audio is a sign that they didn't know about it.

If it was part of the evidence they already had, they could just say "we knew about that already" but a "no comment" makes me think they're a little embarrassed that despite their super-extensive investigation, this never came to light.

No idea if it will make a difference to the existing penalties or the appeals, but it's definitely possible.

[Mr. Scot]

It was a telling piece of information but I did not hear any reference to a bounty.I guess the reference to him rubbing his fingers together could infer that but nothing definitive.

At the end of the full recording, he's heard giving payouts to players for hits they made in the Lions game.

The filmmaker who was there confirmed he was handing out envelopes of money, and the "give it back" chant that had been referenced in prior stories (i.e. "put it back in the pot") can be heard from the players.

Offensive guys can still attempt to play Sgt Schultz, I suppose, but no defensive guy can credibly say he didn't know what was going on (not that they could all that much even before this).