Let's Be Honest Here........

[CRA]

their D is the ideal D lol

if you still haven't gotten that defensive strategy has evolved today to putting more emphasis on forcing the opponent into making mistakes instead of just trying to be stingy since rule changes have put a dent in their ability to do so then whatever

Then they would consistatly be a top defense....and they aren't. Last 3 years.

27th

7th

13th

Then look at a team like Pitt....

1st

2nd

5th

The last 3 years.

Too hard to be consistatly good in today's NFL on D relying on your front 4. Gotta get creative.

[chef17]

You mean the 25th ranked defense in the regular season. BTW they weren't the best defense in the playoffs either. What carried that defense was an offense that kept scoring and a quarterback who was money in the 4th quarter.

Offense scored twice in each of the last two games. That wasn't an offense that kept scoring.

[frash.exe]

well unless we can clone dick lebeau i don't think your example is very practical

[panthers55]

did you watch the games lol

I don't know why it doesn't convince me that shutting out the falcons offense, keeping two high powered offenses to 20 points or less (Pats, Packers), and shutting out basically every single receiver except for Vernon Davis against the niners implies offensive dominance

Of course I watched the games which is why I said what I did. The defense was not great during the year but they did peak in the playoffs. You could say the same thing about New England as well. They were awful all year and much better in the playoffs. Does that mean we should emulate them or should we simply strive to improve on both sides of the ball if we make it into the playoffs.

[KendrickPanther]

You guys are insinuating the Giants draft a D lineman every year in the first round. They hit a home run with Tuck in the 3rd, I'll give you that. Kiwanuka was a drafted DE that's played as a LB. JPP has been a stud. Since Coughlin took the job they've made 8 first round picks, 2 have been on D-line (including Kiwanuka the linebacker). If you go back before Coughlin they get Osi in the 2nd. Strahan was a 2nd rounder way back in 1993.

So we got to follow the Giants formula....They drafted 1 good DE in the first round in the past 25 years. What we can take from them is to draft big physical guys with potential. Just compare J Tuck to Everette Brown... We need J Tuck type guys.

[panthers55]

and if the defensive line is overall terrible, it doesn't matter who's blitzing because they're giving up about 70-100 lbs and they won't be able to get into the backfield

Anyone who thinks we will currently be terrible on the line and that somehow a rookie DT or DE is suddenly going to turn everything around has more problems than I can fix with a few posts.

[CRA]

well unless we can clone dick lebeau i don't think your example is very practical

Well, I don't think it is accurate to call a Giants D ideal. Dick Lebeau disagrees.

Ravens also have been top 10 each of the last 4 years so they disagree as well.

Jets have also been a top 10 D each of the last 3 years.

Ideal D in today's NFL is not Giants....easiest arguement is it would be a 3-4.

[panthers55]

Offense scored twice in each of the last two games. That wasn't an offense that kept scoring.

Playoffs or regular season???

[frash.exe]

Well, I don't think it is accurate to call a Giants D ideal. Dick Lebeau disagrees.

Ravens also have been top 10 each of the last 4 years so they disagree as well.

Jets have also been a top 10 D each of the last 3 years.

Ideal D in today's NFL is not Giants....easiest arguement is it would be a 3-4.

well we're not switching to a 3-4 this year so it makes your argument pretty much irrelevant

[panthers55]

well we're not switching to a 3-4 this year so it makes your argument pretty much irrelevant

So does emulating the Giants when we don't run the same scheme. Unless you think all 4-3s are the same......

[CRA]

well we're not switching to a 3-4 this year so it makes your argument pretty much irrelevant

Well we aren't running the Giants scheme....so claiming they are the ideal model is pretty irrelevant as well.

[frash.exe]

So does emulating the Giants when we don't run the same scheme. Unless you think all 4-3s are the same......

they were running the same scheme in 07, around the same time they were starting guys like kawika mitchell at linebacker, while they had like at least 3 starting caliber DEs and two solid starting DTs

[frash.exe]

Well, I don't think it is accurate to call a Giants D ideal. Dick Lebeau disagrees.

Ravens also have been top 10 each of the last 4 years so they disagree as well.

Jets have also been a top 10 D each of the last 3 years.

Ideal D in today's NFL is not Giants....easiest arguement is it would be a 3-4.

oh btw you just named 3 teams that have about 2 linebackers they drafted in the first round in the last 10 years so lol

[frash.exe]

Anyone who thinks we will currently be terrible on the line and that somehow a rookie DT or DE is suddenly going to turn everything around has more problems than I can fix with a few posts.

it's not nearly as foolish as constantly arguing for drafting a linebacker as if his acquisition will be a panacea for the defense's problems