Espn Sportscenter Mock Draft

[Growl]

No offense Growl but MadHatter is more relevant to huddle than you'll ever be. The man is responsible for helping putting together huddle tailgates and I met MadHatter in person few times and I got nothing but great things to say about him. MadHatter is one tree you don't need to be barking at.

relevant? lol I'm talking about intelligence.

And I'd rather eat Ajax by the box than meet Madhatter.

[Growl]

You said "no matter how he plays, it's a mistake."

So I'm asking you. If Luke turned into a Pro Bowl and All-Pro linebacker, is it still a mistake?

And I said, if you can take your favorite prospects and make them better than they are, then I can too.

Which as I've said, yes it is still a mistake.

The only possible counter to that you can formulate is that you feel Kuechly is "safer" than other prospects, and frankly, if safe is your preferred drafting method, then I have no desire talking football with you.

[Mage]

And I said, if you can take your favorite prospects and make them better than they are, then I can too.

How am I making him "better than he is"? Countless people have him as a top ten prospect. He definitely could become a Pro Bowl, All-Pro linebacker. I'm not saying he is. Just proposing a question out of your ridiculous comment.

And if you really think Kuechly would still be a mistake even if he became an All-Pro player, then there isn't much more I can tell you I guess.

[CRA]

Injured DT/LB was the biggest problem.

LB play was worse than DT play. LB crippled us more than any other spot. LB is a need even with Beason coming back. LB play got us abused on the ground, LB play forced the Ss to over commit to helping them, LB play kept Rivera from running his scheme. DT play was not great.....LB play crippled the D.

You don't pass on talent for lesser players unless you are stacked.

[Growl]

How am I making him "better than he is"? Countless people have him as a top ten prospect. He definitely could become a Pro Bowl, All-Pro linebacker. I'm not saying he is. Just proposing a question out of your ridiculous comment.

And if you really think Kuechly would still be a mistake even if he became an All-Pro player, then there isn't much more I can tell you I guess.

If we draft Kuechly and he becomes an all-pro, and someone else with significantly higher positional value and a more important position of need does as well, then it is a mistake.

As stated, the only counter argument to that is "but he's safer!!" and as I've said, I don't want my team being run that way.

[Mage]

If we draft Kuechly and he becomes an all-pro, and someone else with significantly higher positional value and a more important position of need does as well, then it is a mistake.

And if they don't?

Which boils it down to one point. You can't for sure call anything or any player a mistake when they haven't played a down yet or make the claim that nothing Luke does won't make the pick worth it. I don't have an issue with you disliking Luke. It's whatever. This whole process comes down to opinion anyway. But I have a huge problem when someone acts as if there is no chance in hell he makes the selection worth it.

And if we end up with an All-Pro defensive player in Luke, I doubt they'd regret it one bit.

[Growl]

And if they don't?

Which boils it down to one point. You can't for sure call anything or any player a mistake when they haven't played a down yet or make the claim that nothing Luke does won't make the pick worth it. I don't have an issue with you disliking Luke. It's whatever. This whole process comes down to opinion anyway. But I have a huge problem when someone acts as if there is no chance in hell he makes the selection worth it.

And if we end up with an All-Pro defensive player in Luke, I doubt they'd regret it one bit.

And what if Koochly doesn't? What if Koochly busts and a player at an important position that can actually contribute significantly to the success of a team does well?

You're entire mindset is being done out of "Koochly is safe!" and I have no interest in it.

If you're going to create a hypothetical scenario as you did, then you can't just back your favorite player. You have to encompass every prospect. If, in your hypothetical, Koochly is a lock to be an All-pro, then any prospect I choose to back has to be as well. So, yes, it is still a mistake. If we get an all-pro LB, and another team gets an all-pro DE or DT or whatever, then yes, it was a mistake.

Because a player's talent (or in your case, how likely he is to not-bust) isn't the only factor in determining a player's value.

Which brings us back to this-the only argument here in your hypothetical scenario is that you think Koochly is a lock to become an all-pro and anyone else is just some risky developmental prospect. You're basing your entire argument off of "Safe" and I've said, no self respecting NFL organization should be basing important personnel decisions off of safe.

[Growl]

That's the problem with most of the Koochly fanatics around here. They're so concerned with getting a player who is a not-bust rather than trying to build a team.

[Mage]

And what if Koochly doesn't? What if Koochly busts and a player at an important position that can actually contribute significantly to the success of a team does well?

You're entire mindset is being done out of "Koochly is safe!" and I have no interest in it.

If you're going to create a hypothetical scenario as you did, then you can't just back your favorite player. You have to encompass every prospect. If, in your hypothetical, Koochly is a lock to be an All-pro, then any prospect I choose to back has to be as well. So, yes, it is still a mistake. If we get an all-pro LB, and another team gets an all-pro DE or DT or whatever, then yes, it was a mistake.

Because a player's talent (or in your case, how likely he is to not-bust) isn't the only factor in determining a player's value.

Which brings us back to this-the only argument here in your hypothetical scenario is that you think Koochly is a lock to become an all-pro and anyone else is just some risky developmental prospect. You're basing your entire argument off of "Safe" and I've said, no self respecting NFL organization should be basing important personnel decisions off of safe.

Lol, what in the world are you talking about? It's nothing about backing my favorite player. Let me break it down for you.

You said NO MATTER what Kuechly did, the pick would be a mistake. I simply asked if you he became an All-Pro player, is it still somehow a mistake?

I don't care if you like him or not. I already said that. I was simply responding to you acting like there is nothing he could possibly do to make the pick worth it.

FYI, Kuechly is not my #1 option nor am I a "fanboy" for him. And where did I say he was a lock to become an All-Pro player?

[Growl]

Lol, what in the world are you talking about? It's nothing about backing my favorite player. Let me break it down for you.

You said NO MATTER what Kuechly did, the pick would be a mistake. I simply asked if you he became an All-Pro player, is it still somehow a mistake?

I don't care if you like him or not. I already said that. I was simply responding to you acting like there is nothing he could possibly do to make the pick worth it.

FYI, Kuechly is not my #1 option nor am I a "fanboy" for him.

Then the bottom line is yes, if Koochly becomes a pro bowler and someone else we could of had does the same, it is a mistake.