Some Don't Want Cam Scoring On The Ground ?

[Panthro]

By him continuing to run he opens up opportunites for the RB's and the passing game in the RZ because the D will key on Cam. Take that away and our offense changes...dramitically.

Also between the 20's Cam is great about picking up chunks of yardage on the ground then diving before contact.

[megadeth078]

If Cam had shitty field awareness like McNabb, then I would be worried about him running between the 20s.

You guys aren't giving Cam enough credit. You guys make it seem as if he doesn't think before he runs.

[FirstRoundPick]

I want Cam running enough that he is counted as a threat that must be accounted for. Anything that happens as a result of that is football. Anything less we are cutting down our chances of winning.

[xerxes]

A poll would be interesting. e.g.

How many times should Cam run the ball per game?

• Never, Cam is Mr. Glass from Unbreakable
  
• 1-5
  
• 6-10
  
• 11-15
  
• Run Ace Boogie Run!
  

[Panthro]

He should run as many times as it takes to win. Games will dictate that...sometimes 15 rushes other times none. Take what the Defense gives you.

[MadHatter]

By him continuing to run he opens up opportunites for the RB's and the passing game in the RZ because the D will key on Cam. Take that away and our offense changes...dramitically.

Also between the 20's Cam is great about picking up chunks of yardage on the ground then diving before contact.

I am talking about the goal line runs rather than the other runs.

I would rather see the rb's get the majoritlty if the goal line hits.

I like seeing him take off when the pocket starts to break down and even on the read options

[cultclassiccat]

He is a natural runner. You cannot ignore this. Broken play nightmare. Hes learning early how and when to take a hit or go down. We going to dominate the redzone and probably lead the league in longest drives for td average too.

[DawgzLife]

Reading comprehension? I said at least 12 games. 1 of those 7 was 12 games starting in 1987. Did you know that was a strike year? So yes that's a full season.

I wasn't quoting what you said, obviously. I was stating the facts about how many seasons he had full seasons. You are right about the '87 season, I forgot about the strike.

His supporting cast in 98 has nothing to do with making all-pro. To make that you have to be excellent despite who is around the QB.

Wrong. Every year the # of all-pros are higher form the top teams, therefore supporting cast does have something to do with it; suprising you think otherwise.

Cam is in a better situation because he doesn't have another QB taking away 2 whole seasons out of his career. Cam was ready right from the start. And he most likely will not retire and then come back to teams who already have a starter.

Back then & up until about last year (some now still), the consesus was that rookies who sat for a year or more would be more successful. Your contention does not support your theory; to be accurate, proper historical context is important.

Cunningham collectively had a decade worth of greatness. Cam is bigger and therefore more durable. We should at least get 10 years out of him.

He had 7 'good' years with maybe 2 'great' years. A career 56.6% completion rate; 81.5% career QB rating; 207-134 TD-INT ratio; average of 2700 yards passing per year ...not 'greatness' in my opinion. Cam's first year: 60% completion percentage (59.96%), 4,051 yds passing, 21-17 TD-INT ratio, 84.5% QB rating.

Also keep in mind there are other great runners and passers that lasted a long time as well. Warren Moon and Steve McNair. McNair had 6 straight seasons of at least 400 yards rushing and he lasted a long time. Cam's running ability may stay the same for about 5-8 years before he becomes more of a pocket passer like Moon. But Moon still had the threat of taking off when nothing was there, like McNair later in his career.

Moon makes sense, McNair was seriously beat up & injured, not a good example. McNair his last couple of years could not take off & run...he last his running ability b/c his ribs were broken,etc.

That's what Cam will become later in his career. A pocket passer that still has the threat of taking off every now and then. We should go ahead and use Cam's ability to run before he can't use it anymore and while he is reaching his peak of becoming a dynamic running and passing QB like Cunningham was.

So the only 'running' QB so far that anyone has come up with who was not seriously injured is Warren Moon. You are resolved to your 'feelings'....the reality of how the careers of these running QBs deteriorated seem to show otherwise. Young was very successful, but before we know it, he may be diagnosed with CTE like some of these other guys; I don't want that many concussions happening to Cam. It's not IF Cam can run, it's SHOULD there be designated running plays for him. He will always scramble when a play breaks down...& he should, like I've said before.

[Simple and Plain]

Cam almost never got hit on his scrambles or designed runs between the 20's. Never. He always got down or found the sideline unless he was pushing for a 1st down.

His goal line runs come with a little more contact, but even those were often just jumping over a pile or outrunning a linebacker to a corner.

[MadHatter]

Cam almost never got hit on his scrambles or designed runs between the 20's. Never. He always got down or found the sideline unless he was pushing for a 1st down.

His goal line runs come with a little more contact, but even those were often just jumping over a pile or outrunning a linebacker to a corner.

I also thought that Cam was very smart on his scrambles with going down before taking hits. That tells me that he fully understands how important he is to this team and how to limit the shots he takes.

However, he took a ton of big shots on the goal line. Those are the carries that I think RR limits him getting this reason. I think this is a big reason we signed a bruising RB like Tolbert. But, we are all just guessing and will have to wait to see.

[KillerKat]

I wasn't quoting what you said, obviously. I was stating the facts about how many seasons he had full seasons. You are right about the '87 season, I forgot about the strike.

Wrong. Every year the # of all-pros are higher form the top teams, therefore supporting cast does have something to do with it; suprising you think otherwise.

Then why doesn't Montana have more all-pro selections than Manning, Marino, and Young. Brady only has 3. So you're compeltely wrong. Supporting cast has nothign to do with it

Back then & up until about last year (some now still), the consesus was that rookies who sat for a year or more would be more successful.

Wouldn't that be why he is in a better situation? Do you read what you type before you post?

He had 7 'good' years with maybe 2 'great' years. A career 56.6% completion rate; 81.5% career QB rating; 207-134 TD-INT ratio; average of 2700 yards passing per year ...not 'greatness' in my opinion. Cam's first year: 60% completion percentage (59.96%), 4,051 yds passing, 21-17 TD-INT ratio, 84.5% QB rating.

You're including his backup years. Again, you're providing stats without any context.

Moon makes sense, McNair was seriously beat up & injured, not a good example. McNair his last couple of years could not take off & run...he last his running ability b/c his ribs were broken,etc.

McNair started 153 games out of 161. Thats pretty fuging durable. Again, do you read what you type before you post? Plus, I already just stated that the running ability tops out at about 5-8 years and I already told you what he did for 6 straight seasons.

So the only 'running' QB so far that anyone has come up with who was not seriously injured is Warren Moon. You are resolved to your 'feelings'....the reality of how the careers of these running QBs deteriorated seem to show otherwise. Young was very successful, but before we know it, he may be diagnosed with CTE like some of these other guys; I don't want that many concussions happening to Cam. It's not IF Cam can run, it's SHOULD there be designated running plays for him. He will always scramble when a play breaks down...& he should, like I've said before.

You're making generalizations and not being rational in order to support your argument. Four have been given to you but I can only tell you these things and not make you understand.

Replies in blue

[KillerKat]

"Hey guys McNair missed 8 whole games in his starting career. He is not durable at all! Cam needs to stop running, I don't want him to end up like that!"

[KillerKat]

Cam has the ability of Cunningham, durability of McNair, and then the potential of Moon later in his career. That's pretty fuging good company. I don't see why anyone would complain about that.

[Simple and Plain]

Cam is bigger and stronger than just about any running QB you can name and has the shiftiness and vision of any of them.