Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

3-Row Suvs/minivans


Jase

Recommended Posts

Hyundai used to be the low cost/cheap made alternative. But, about 5 years ago they made huge R&D investments and went after the big boys on quality. That is when they started offerign the 5 year bumper to bumper warranties and lifetime powertrain warranties....to entice people whow were buying Toyota's and Honda's to make the jump.

They are fantastic cars (this is my second Hyundai...had an Azera before). NEVER had an issue with either.

Kia is where Hyundai was. But, they too are making strides. They were bought by Hyundai if memory serves me.

Yes Hyundai owns KIA, assumed their debt in exchange for huge tax breaks from Korean Government. Kia at one time was on the brink of being extinct. Ford was going to assume their debt and take them over until Hyundai swooped in. They actually started the 10 year 100k warranty in 99. The were cars still not what they are today back then. From 2006 moving forward they have built an amazing lineup and reputation. This is also after they hired some big wig execs in every field from engineering to marketing from luxury brands and had time to implement the changes that have made them the success story that they are today.

KIA'S biggest struggles are as you mentioned they are where Hyundai was in terms of public perception and that kills their resale value. Horrendous in fact. Also KIA is always going to be a tier lower than Hyundai by design, similar to Honda-Acura,Toyota-Lexus, Nissan-Infininiti.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes Hyundai owns KIA, assumed their debt in exchange for huge tax breaks from Korean Government. Kia at one time was on the brink of being extinct. Ford was going to assume their debt and take them over until Hyundai swooped in. They actually started the 10 year 100k warranty in 99. The were cars still not what they are today back then. From 2006 moving forward they have built an amazing lineup and reputation. This is also after they hired some big wig execs in every field from engineering to marketing from luxury brands and had time to implement the changes that have made them the success story that they are today.

KIA'S biggest struggles are as you mentioned they are where Hyundai was in terms of public perception and that kills their resale value. Horrendous in fact. Also KIA is always going to be a tier lower than Hyundai by design, similar to Honda-Acura,Toyota-Lexus, Nissan-Infininiti.

You are spot on in everything you said.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Kinda in the same boat Jase.

I have an old MDX, which is great and is essentially a tricked out Pilot.

The kids can get in and out of it fine now, but it isn't as convenient as the minivan option.

As far as minivans go, the two best are the Odyssey and the Sienna.

I like the Sienna for the FWD option, but that won't matter much given your climate, so that Odyssey MPG and optional way cool entertainment packeage is tough to beat.

As far as SUVs go, the Pilot and MDX are nice options with the optional 3rd row seating.

Good luck.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Kinda in the same boat Jase.

I have an old MDX, which is great and is essentially a tricked out Pilot.

The kids can get in and out of it fine now, but it isn't as convenient as the minivan option.

As far as minivans go, the two best are the Odyssey and the Sienna.

I like the Sienna for the FWD option, but that won't matter much given your climate, so that Odyssey MPG and optional way cool entertainment packeage is tough to beat.

As far as SUVs go, the Pilot and MDX are nice options with the optional 3rd row seating.

Good luck.

I liked the Odyssey as well when we were looking. But, Honda REFUSED to negotiate at all on the price. Got an euqlly optioned Sienna for thousands less than Honda wanted.

Both are GREAT vehicles.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I also will give a big thumbs up for the Toyota Siena. Wife had Explorers and a Sequoia and she swore she would never have a minivan. One month before the birth of our second kid we got a Siena and 7 years later whenever she gets in that car she says, "I love my minivan." We also were down to the Odyssey or Siena and chose Toyota since the Siena comes in AWD (for the rare days it does snow and ice and I have to ge to work. My car is RWD and sucks in the snow). Holds everything, drives well and have had no repair troubles. Got over 100k miles on it and still going strong.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I liked the Odyssey as well when we were looking. But, Honda REFUSED to negotiate at all on the price. Got an euqlly optioned Sienna for thousands less than Honda wanted.

Both are GREAT vehicles.

If you can make the drive go across town, or to another city to another dealership, find a similar car with similar features.

I bought my wife a SUV recently, went to both GMC dealerships in town, played each one of the other with the price.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 weeks later...

We had actually given up on the third row seating thing, but then we found out about the Mazda5, which basically amounts to a tiny minivan that drives like a car.

It seats six, three rows of two. It's everything we need and then some.

Got the touring model brand new for about the same price as a 3-4 year old CR-V.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • What's up gents, the OGs remember me, the guy who single-handedly gave the Panthers the greatest uniform in history moniker. Not too long after that I got involved with Pro Football Focus (pre-Collinsworth acquisition) and ended up taking backseat here to preserve some objectivity. But from a distance I noticed a lot. After the end of the Cam era this place devolved into the most un-fun, petty, negative cesspool of whining and bitching that has ever graced the internet. The worst part of it all is that the level of discussion turned into the most ill-informed, hot-take, unnuanced crap, rife with people talking out of their posteriors as if they have any clue about what they are watching. Once you get into the professional side of the sport and actual film rooms, you start to understand there's an absurd number of moving parts to pretty much every snap and the details you are privy to are truly only half the picture. The absolute most important thing I learned from being part of professional level football analysis is that quarterbacking is literally the most intricate and difficult position in all of professional sports, and that the NFL itself is struggling to develop any workable model that allows them to understand what makes one succeed vs what makes one fail. Because of this paradox it has also made the quarterback position itself grossly overvalued from a fan and media standpoint, creating an absurd fixation on the results delivered by a single player who has to rely on the contributions of everyone around them. This also drives the dreaded inflation of QB salaries that inevitably cause even elite teams to lose key talent all to pour cash into the one player supposed to be able to single-handedly elevate the entire team (and defense and special teams and coaching and ownership by some mysterious proxy), yet without those same players even talented teams can wander the wilderness searching for the right guy to take advantage of their talent window. The discussions the last few years around Bryce has personified this insanity, as this board has devolved into some sort of electronic civil war between the hyperbolic Young supporters and the vitriolic Bryce haters. The reality, like practically everything in this world, is somewhere in the middle. He has traits that can absolutely elevate a team with creativity, play recognition, off-arm angle throws, mental toughness, etc. He's also physically limited, with mostly "good-enough" qualities for most situations that a professional quarterback is asked to do, and will never be an overpowering physical force like pre-injury Cam. But "good-enough" physicality represents a large majority of championship-winning quarterbacks, even in the modern era. There's a reason the corpse of Peyton Manning took the chip from elite physical specimen Cam, because the team surrounding him was talented enough to get him there, while we all know Cam was the driving force of that 2015 team. That's no knock on him, that's just how the game of football tends to work: the more complete team usually wins. The summary is this: if this team lives or dies solely on the performance of its quarterback, then it is absolutely a paper tiger even if he plays brilliantly week in and out. There are no superheroes in this sport, there are only conduits that proxy the collective efforts of much of the team around them. And no one alive can tell you how the position is played perfectly, it's all a confluence of circumstance and what unique collection of traits each player brings to the position, which can never be truly recreated season after season, even for the same player on the same team. If this place remains a raging hellscape of idiotic hot takes I will happily remove myself again and do something more productive for yet another decade, but maybe's there hope that we can all get back to the old adage, and keep pounding.
    • Really impressed how the bottom six have looked the past couple games
    • 1st ⭐️ Big Bussi - 17 saves, .941 save % 2nd ⭐️ Logan Dankoven - 2 assists, 3 SOG, +3, 16:25 TOI 3rd ⭐️ Ghost Bear - 1 goal, 3 blocked shots, +2, 18:48 TOI
×
×
  • Create New...