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Comparing Lesean Mccoy's Contract To D-Will's

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panthers55 Grand Master

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Everyone doesn't have the same potential. Odds favor betting on certain horses. Injuries happen, poo in general happens so no one knows how the season is going to play itself out...

2011 happened. past tense. We can talk about that and are.

Are we talking horse racing or pro football? They aren't the same at all. As for 2011 versus 2012, football is all about what have you done lately. Injuries are a big deal for running backs and do impact a number of teams each year. Who knows that the best running back in 2012 might be a rookie or someone who had a down year last year. It happens.

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I know this isn't directed at me, but I'm of the opinion that McCoy had a better 2011 than Williams but that doesn't make him a better RB. One could argue McCoy had the best 2011 of any RB. I wouldn't argue against that, especially since 2011 was a down year for RBs. No one really had a beastly 2011. Compare the best of 2011 against the best of 2009 and back and it really pales. Evolution of the game is a part of that, but I don't think this is a reason to hate on Deangelo's worth to the team. Even if Deangelo doesn't put up more stats this year than last, as long as he continues to bust out those 20 yard TDs and average over 5 ypc I'll be happy with it. The team is better with him than without. I wouldn't argue that the team is $8mil a year better with him than without, though I also wouldn't argue that some of that $8mil woulda been nice to spend on some defense, like Johnathan Joseph.

Well it is a gray area. Like I said, career wise to date....I wouldn't say McCoy has been better. But if you look at a 23 yr old's potential going forward vs a 29 yr old going forward....I don't think from 2011 forward odds favor the 29 yr old.

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Are we talking horse racing or pro football? They aren't the same at all. As for 2011 versus 2012, football is all about what have you done lately. Injuries are a big deal for running backs and do impact a number of teams each year. Who knows that the best running back in 2012 might be a rookie or someone who had a down year last year. It happens.

Again, I acknowledge injuries happen and they can dictate things.....and not just injuries to the player themselves but those around them. Everyone gets that. But if I want to say NE should be better than St. Louis bc Brady is better than Bradford. Playing the well Brady could be injured card doesn't wipe clean and dismiss all the reasoning behind the educated assumption.

Also, come on bro....you nitpicking an expression and trying to imply a literal meaning?

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Well it is a gray area. Like I said, career wise to date....I wouldn't say McCoy has been better. But if you look at a 23 yr old's potential going forward vs a 29 yr old going forward....I don't think from 2011 forward odds favor the 29 yr old.

Well yea, if you asked me which I'd rather have going from today forward I'd have to say McCoy. It's just a matter of investment vs future gains. McCoy is 6 years younger so logically you'll get 6 years worth more from him. But I'm just saying who I think is a better RB now. I don't think McCoy will ever peak as high as Deangelo did in his best year, but if someone told me I could have a $250k Ferrari for 3 years or a $150k Ferrari for 9, I'd take the cheaper one.

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Well yea, if you asked me which I'd rather have going from today forward I'd have to say McCoy. It's just a matter of investment vs future gains. McCoy is 6 years younger so logically you'll get 6 years worth more from him. But I'm just saying who I think is a better RB now. I don't think McCoy will ever peak as high as Deangelo did in his best year, but if someone told me I could have a $250k Ferrari for 3 years or a $150k Ferrari for 9, I'd take the cheaper one.

23 yr old - 2011 (15 games) 1,624 total yards, 20 total TDs on 321 touches, 1 turnover

25 yr old 2008 (16 games) 1,636 total yards, 20 total TDs on 295 touches

To date Williams' peak season isn't much better than McCoy's. He was almost there this past year.

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Yea, I suppose. I'd rather a RB that gets 1500 yards rushing and 100 yards receiving than one that gets 1300 rushing and 300 receiving, but that's just personal preference. If you look at it like you compared them, it's not that much of a difference.

McCoy is due for the curse of the 300 touches though. We'll see how he does this year :)

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Again, I acknowledge injuries happen and they can dictate things.....and not just injuries to the player themselves but those around them. Everyone gets that. But if I want to say NE should be better than St. Louis bc Brady is better than Bradford. Playing the well Brady could be injured card doesn't wipe clean and dismiss all the reasoning behind the educated assumption.

Also, come on bro....you nitpicking an expression and trying to imply a literal meaning?

You can't compare team success based on a number of factors with individual success of specific players. What NE versus St Louis will do as a team based on their quarterback has nothing to do with who will be the best running back based on last year's numbers. You may think making those kind of distinctions are nitpicking but to me it is clarifying fuzzy thinking and convoluted logic. They have nothing to do with one another.

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Any other logical GM would think "Hey we already have a younger, promising RB who's contract is up in two years(at that time) I'll save this cash for him" or "Hey our pass-rush sure does suck ass, let's get another pass-rusher" or "hey our secondary is poo other-than Gamble, let's get another CB" or "Let's get another receiving option for Cam"

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You can't compare team success based on a number of factors with individual success of specific players. You may think making those kind of distinctions are nitpicking but to me it is clarifying fuzzy thinking and convoluted logic.

Just seems like you want to argue no one should talk about anything not in the past. Nothing wrong with projecting what a player has the potential to do vs another. I get your stance logic.....just don't think all talk should be squashed bc of it

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Just seems like you want to argue no one should talk about anything not in the past. Nothing wrong with projecting what a player has the potential to do vs another. I get your stance logic.....just don't think all talk should be squashed bc of it

I don't have an issue with anyone bringing up anything really. I understand where you are coming from, I just know that things can change in a hurry in the NFl. Who knows, now that he got a huge payday he might slack off significantly. He wouldn't be the first player who got big bucks and then disappointed the next season. Hard to predict the future.

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People have to realize that we aren't the same damn team Philly is. We have a 3+ back system, 4 if you want to count Cam. This means that none of our running backs have to take the load like McCoy does. Thus, keeping our backs fresh. But you nimrods already knew that...you just didn't think about the long term effects of having a stacked backfield. People have to remember that Deangelo has been sharing the backfield his whole career with Deshaun, and then with Stew. Anyways, I don't feel like writing an extended reason why some of you are morons..but the man has a lot left in him. Even at his age now, and it's because the two, three back tandems he's been in. He doesn't have the wear and tear most Starting tailbacks have at his age.. And honestly, I could see him and Stew both being able to play into their mid 30's...in this tandem.

Also, I'd be surprised and disappointed if it came down to him having to restructure to keep Stew here. And not that I know the man personally, but he seems the type that would do just that to keep his team mate, and friend..Stew..here.

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