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Beason wants to stay in the middle

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I said the moment we drafted Kuechly, we should put him in the middle. Taking a guy that high in the draft, I want to get the most out of him. Obviously, playing him in his natural spot is the best way to get the most out of him. Beason, you will just have to learn to play OLB, and enjoy it. Go watch some tape of Derrick Brooks, and learn something.

The proof is in the pudding right. The kid has looked completely lost all season and you put him at his normal position and he is lights out. 11 tackles, a sack, and an interception. Beason has never had that kind of performance. If he wants to pout, then we have other options.

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One play? He gave up three huge passes over the middle. Getting caught up in play-action is his fault. He has to be able to read that. He's not ready. Needs more experience. I know how hard you were calling for the organization to draft him back in April, so I don't expect you to waiver.

He was targeted twice during the game. One he gave up a 19 yard pass, the other resulted in his interception. So frankly, you are wrong.

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He was targeted twice during the game. One he gave up a 19 yard pass, the other resulted in his interception. So frankly, you are wrong.

Based on what statistics? Three times I saw him playing zone and get burned. Facts are facts man. He isn't the almighty ILB, he has to improve on his pass defense before he should be considered a full-time starter inside. His strength in college was said to be his pass defense, and I believe it...but this isn't college. He needs to get more experience outside before he comes inside. Jon Beason knows all about that.

The coaching staff may be inept at formulating a successful game plan, but they aren't complete idiots...Beason will be back in the middle.

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Based on what statistics? Three times I saw him playing zone and get burned. Facts are facts man. He isn't the almighty ILB, he has to improve on his pass defense before he should be considered a full-time starter inside. His strength in college was said to be his pass defense, and I believe it...but this isn't college. He needs to get more experience outside before he comes inside. Jon Beason knows all about that.

The coaching staff may be inept at formulating a successful game plan, but they aren't complete idiots...Beason will be back in the middle.

Based on profootballfocus. Rather than you trying to remember I'm going to put my faith on a source that revisits every play and records who does what for each.

You may have seen passes over the middle but he was in man coverage on several plays so you could be blaming someone because you don't actually know what happened.

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PFF weighs in on Luke's day against the Seahawks

Kuechly’s Active Day

Luke Kuechly’s 191 tackles at Boston College indicates the type of player he is, relentless in pursuit and always running towards the football. That was the type of game he had on Sunday, for better and for worse. With Jon Beason out with an injury, Kuechly played every snap and compiled a game-high 12 tackles with three defensive stops. He notched his first QB pressure of the season at the beginning of the second quarter, when he redirected Wilson into Greg Hardy’s waiting arms for the sack. His hustle earned him his first career interception off a Marshawn Lynch bobble in the third quarter. And his tackle for loss at the 11:21 mark of the fourth quarter, when he knifed through the line to cut Robert Turbin down at the knees, was a thing of beauty. However, Kuechly’s aggressiveness also got him into trouble at times. He was too easily knocked off his feet by offensive linemen entering the second level, and he left Zach Miller wide open for a 30-yard gain when he bit hard on a play action fake in the third quarter. If Kuechly wants to cut out the inconsistencies, he needs to learn how to hustle judiciously.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/10/09/refo-seahawks-panthers-week-5/

So basically, he is overly aggressive

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We do need our best current MLB to be playing the spot. I don't believe that Beason is currently our best MLB.

Honestly the idea that he's going to come back 100% healthy after being banged up like he has all year after one off week is a pipe dream. Not only is he clearly still struggling with recovery from his injury last year but how he has a shoulder injury that has lead him to tackle terribly. Beason this year is not the Beason everyone wants back in the middle and this small amount of time is not likely to bring him back.

Kuechly made his first start at MLB and played his fuging balls off. I know every coach likes to say you can't lose your job to an injury but when the backup is a 9th overall future superstar in this league who is already balling? Maybe you can lose your job to that injury...

So we're in agreement that we need our best MLB on the field and as I said. IF Beason comes back 100% then he's our MLB, IF he doesn't, then we ride with Kuechly. Kuechly has played well this year, not without error but well and he played a great game against Seattle, but I donot believe that Kuechly is better than a 100% healthy Beason. Do you?
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So we're in agreement that we need our best MLB on the field and as I said. IF Beason comes back 100% then he's our MLB, IF he doesn't, then we ride with Kuechly. Kuechly has played well this year, not without error but well and he played a great game against Seattle, but I donot believe that Kuechly is better than a 100% healthy Beason. Do you?

At this point, no. But anyone who would expect a 5th game rookie to be on par with top 5 positional multi-year vet is pretty idiotic. Moving forward though, I think Keek could be a better player than Beason ever was or will be at MLB.

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At this point, no. But anyone who would expect a 5th game rookie to be on par with top 5 positional multi-year vet is pretty idiotic. Moving forward though, I think Keek could be a better player than Beason ever was or will be at MLB.

Dude what are you talking about. Beason is not the better MLB right now because of his injury, until he gets 100% healthly, we should ride with Kuechly. Is Kuechly better at MLB than the current injuried Beason right now, YES!
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Dude what are you talking about. Beason is not the better MLB right now because of his injury, until he gets 100% healthly, we should ride with Kuechly. Is Kuechly better at MLB than the current injuried Beason right now, YES!

What? Isn't that what I just said? You asked if Keuchly was better than a 100% healthy Beason. And my opinion was that if Beason was 100% healthy RIGHT NOW then no, he's not. The fact is that Beason isn't 100% healthy and we should start Luke in the middle because he's the better player given Beason's health. Additionally, long term, I see Luke as being better than Beason ever was, so Beason, in opinion, should never start in the middle for this team again - barring injury of course.

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What? Isn't that what I just said? You asked if Keuchly was better than a 100% healthy Beason. And my opinion was that if Beason was 100% healthy RIGHT NOW then no, he's not. The fact is that Beason isn't 100% healthy and we should start Luke in the middle because he's the better player given Beason's health. Additionally, long term, I see Luke as being better than Beason ever was, so Beason, in opinion, should never start in the middle for this team again - barring injury of course.

Thats your opinion, my opinion is that Beason is the better MLB when he's healthy.

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Thats your opinion, my opinion is that Beason is the better MLB when he's healthy.

Yeah I understand that, but unfortunately that's all you're going to get with this comparison - an opinion. There's no way to quantify it, it's completely subjective analysis at this point. I'm just going off of instincts and measurables. Keuchly is bigger, faster, and better in coverage coming out of college than Beason was. He projects to be a better player long term than Beason. This isn't a knock on Beason in any way, it's more of an endorsement for Keek. Beason has always been a little undersized for his position, but he's survived on instincts and talent, something that Keuchly has in the same amounts except he's also bigger and faster.

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Yeah I understand that, but unfortunately that's all you're going to get with this comparison - an opinion. There's no way to quantify it, it's completely subjective analysis at this point. I'm just going off of instincts and measurables. Keuchly is bigger, faster, and better in coverage coming out of college than Beason was. He projects to be a better player long term than Beason. This isn't a knock on Beason in any way, it's more of an endorsement for Keek. Beason has always been a little undersized for his position, but he's survived on instincts and talent, something that Keuchly has in the same amounts except he's also bigger and faster.

We have a Vet Pro Bowl MLB and a rising strar at the same position. This may be a good thing, we'll see...
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