The Myth of Cam Newton under pressure dispelled

[teeray]

I know it's hard for you to understand this, but anytime someone tries to start a forum, it usually beings the same way. It was up for 2 weeks.

Our offense ended up high because of the last 5 games blowing up very bad teams like Tampa Bay. The stat is heavily impacted by the most recent 3 games. At this point last season, it was just as inefficient even when we COULD put up points and yards. Same story this year. Nothing changed.

Tom Brady was an efficient game manager first. Then became a high power QB. Big difference from Cam Newton, and you should never, ever, EVER mention the 2 in the same sentence again.

Our QB has no clue how to manage a football game. Neither does our coach. Two years later he has the same issue I told you he had in week 4 of last year. He is missing the basics. And he self implodes. Especially in the 4th quarter. What is he now? 0-13 when throwing picks?

I think stats are no longer necessary to notice the issues. Eye test is enough at this point. And I'm not back. Just wanted to save another poster from your paranoid and baseless accusations.

Take care.

So we finished 12th in YPP and finished 6-10. So you finally admit after all this time that YPP has little bearing on success and is a very misleading stat. Glad you finally came around on that.

And per usual you fail in the basic concepts of reading comprehension. If you think I was comparing Cam favorably to Tom Brady then you really are as deficient as I have claimed. I was saying Tom Brady was the exception to the rule.

But I would not expect anything less from you. Goodbye.

[CRA]

. What is he now? 0-13 when throwing picks?

Yeah, we all know our team is so incomplete that if Cam doesn't play mistake free they can't win.

That stat merly shows how bad of a team we have.....QBs throw picks and walk away with wins over and over in a season. They have teams that play all 3 phases though....something we have never seen in the Rivera era. We have 1 phase teams under him

[ReturnOfPFFL]

Yeah, we all know our team is so incomplete that if Cam doesn't play mistake free they can't win.

That stat merly shows how bad of a team we have.....QBs throw picks and walk away with wins over and over in a season. They have teams that play all 3 phases though....something we have never seen in the Rivera era. We have 1 phase teams under him

Yes and the teams who can actually do that have quarterbacks named Brady, Rodgers or Manning. Or maybe a defense like the Bears. And even then, it happens rarely.

Teams don't win regularly in the NFL when they lose the turnover battle. Never have. Never will. They get lucky sometimes and come back, but most of the times, they end up just like the Panthers. Losers.

Btw, not throwing an interception, doesn't mean you played perfect or mistake free. It just means you are doing what you are supposed to do. There's a big difference between quarterbacks who pass 40-50 times a game and throw an interception and quarterbacks who manage to throw 2 while throwing less than 30 times a game.

The guy with 50 passing attempts can get away with it and still win.

[MaineManPanther]

I have never argued that the Carolina offensive line was "good". Far from it.

But it is NOT the worst in the NFL.

And Cam Newton's problems cannot be wholly or even mainly blamed on it.

It is football and many factors are in play, obviously.

It just gets my goat a little when I see "jailbreak on every play", "worst offensive line in football", "stupidist coaching staff ever assembled", etc, etc, repeated by the members of this forum...all in defense of a second year quarterback who is playing VERY poorly at this point in his career and compounding that poor play with incredilby bad judgement off the field...

After a certain level of bad play the specific ranking shouldn't matter. The fact that its only the around 28th best and not 32nd is a pretty small point to make. Most people are not arguing that its literally the worst, but bad enough to be a big factor in poor offensive performance. Which given the stats is true.

The fact is Newton is a 2nd year Qb dealing with a lackluster line and underachieving ground game. That doesn't mean he's blameless. But with context like that its not hard to see why few think Newton is the biggest issue.

[CRA]

Yes and the teams who can actually do that have quarterbacks named Brady, Rodgers or Manning. Or maybe a defense like the Bears. And even then, it happens rarely.

Teams don't win regularly in the NFL when they lose the turnover battle. Never have. Never will. They get lucky sometimes and come back, but most of the times, they end up just like the Panthers. Losers.

Btw, not throwing an interception, doesn't mean you played perfect or mistake free. It just means you are doing what you are supposed to do. There's a big difference between quarterbacks who pass 40-50 times a game and throw an interception and quarterbacks who manage to throw 2 while throwing less than 30 times a game.

The guy with 50 passing attempts can get away with it and still win.

Changing the stat.....now you are referencing losing the turnover battle. Your stat was the Cam throwing a pick stat. QBs win all the time throwing a pick.

Lets use Andy Dalton as the example, he isn't Peyton Manning nor does he throw 50 times a game nor does he have a comically high scoring D.

7 wins in his short career throwing at least 1 INT. One shy of Newton's 8 total wins.

Difference is, Bengals play 3 phases.....not 1. QB can make mistakes.

[teeray]

Changing the stat.....now you are referencing losing the turnover battle. Your stat was the Cam throwing a pick stat. QBs win all the time throwing a pick.

Lets use Andy Dalton as the example, he isn't Peyton Manning nor does he throw 50 times a game nor does he have a comically high scoring D.

7 wins in his short career throwing at least 1 INT. One shy of Newton's 8 total wins.

Difference is, Bengals play 3 phases.....not 1. QB can make mistakes.

And yet he still doesn't understand why he isn't taken seriously and why he got banned. -_-

[ReturnOfPFFL]

Changing the stat.....now you are referencing losing the turnover battle. Your stat was the Cam throwing a pick stat. QBs win all the time throwing a pick.

Lets use Andy Dalton as the example, he isn't Peyton Manning nor does he throw 50 times a game nor does he have a comically high scoring D.

7 wins in his short career throwing at least 1 INT. One shy of Newton's 8 total wins.

Difference is, Bengals play 3 phases.....not 1. QB can make mistakes.

Throwin A pick and having an efficient turnover % are two completely different things.

And just for the record, Cam was at 3.3% interception to pass efficiency last year averaging 32 attempts per game. He's at 3.7% this year, averaging 30. So less attempts, even worse efficiency. He also has 1 more fumble already than he had all of last year.

You just cant win with that kind of turnover problem. Especially when your touchdown to turnover ratio is negative.

And go ahead and look at Andy. Last year he had a 2.5% interception %. They had a winning record and made the playoffs. This year he's having similar issues like Cam. He's averaging 3.5%. They're 4-5.

It's just a fact of football.

You can't beat that one unless your defense's name is Pittsburgh, Chicago or Seattle. No balanced or offense driven team can win like that.

[CRA]

Throwin A pick and having an efficient turnover % are two completely different things.

And just for the record, Cam was at 3.3% interception to pass efficiency last year averaging 32 attempts per game. He's at 3.7% this year, averaging 30. So less attempts, even worse efficiency. He also has 1 more fumble already than he had all of last year.

You just cant win with that kind of turnover problem. Especially when your touchdown to turnover ratio is negative.

And go ahead and look at Andy. Last year he had a 2.5% interception %. They had a winning record and made the playoffs. This year he's having similar issues like Cam. He's averaging 3.5%. They're 4-5.

It's just a fact of football.

You can't beat that one unless your defense's name is Pittsburgh, Chicago or Seattle. No balanced or offense driven team can win like that.

Giants this year. Play 3 phases.

4 of 6 wins Eli has at least 1 INT. 3.0%. There are more examples as well....

Carolina plays 1 phase.....2 are dormant a game. Can't win in the NFL like that unless you have a HOFer in his prime.

But again, I was responding to your Cam throws a single pick we lose stat.....

[TonyN]

After a certain level of bad play the specific ranking shouldn't matter. The fact that its only the around 28th best and not 32nd is a pretty small point to make. Most people are not arguing that its literally the worst, but bad enough to be a big factor in poor offensive performance. Which given the stats is true.

The fact is Newton is a 2nd year Qb dealing with a lackluster line and underachieving ground game. That doesn't mean he's blameless. But with context like that its not hard to see why few think Newton is the biggest issue.

Can you post a link to your numbers? They are not checking out with NFL stats that are available from other sites...Especially your rankings...

[teeray]

Throwin A pick and having an efficient turnover % are two completely different things.

And just for the record, Cam was at 3.3% interception to pass efficiency last year averaging 32 attempts per game. He's at 3.7% this year, averaging 30. So less attempts, even worse efficiency. He also has 1 more fumble already than he had all of last year.

You just cant win with that kind of turnover problem. Especially when your touchdown to turnover ratio is negative.

And go ahead and look at Andy. Last year he had a 2.5% interception %. They had a winning record and made the playoffs. This year he's having similar issues like Cam. He's averaging 3.5%. They're 4-5.

It's just a fact of football.

You can't beat that one unless your defense's name is Pittsburgh, Chicago or Seattle. No balanced or offense driven team can win like that.

in 2007 Eli Manning won a Super Bowl with a INT% of 3.8%. Soooo you want to rethink "fact of football" statement?

[ReturnOfPFFL]

Giants this year. Play 3 phases.

4 of 6 wins Eli has at least 1 INT. 3.0%.

Carolina plays 1 phase.....2 are dormant a game. Can't win in the NFL like that unless you have a HOFer in his prime.

And that's about the limit CRA. Just about every winning team has a QB with an interception % between 2.5, and 3% at the most.

And let's not act like the Giants don't have an elite defense. They do too. Not to mention, Eli also has a postive TD/TO ratio.

Heck even teams with great defenses need that to win. Look at Joe Flacco:

He's hardly considered elite. But he is one of the winningest QB's in the NFL because his career int% is 2.3%. One of the best there is. Look at any consistently winning team. That's what you will see. Brady, Manning, etc. They all have that stat under control. That stat will be at 3 or under. Most of them hover around 2.5% because in today's NFL, thats where you have to be.

[CatMan72]

Yeah, Cam is the problem... LOL

Please GTFO.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

If you were at the game, you would realize it is a combination of line play, quarterback play, and receiver/tight end play. The line needs to hold up, Cam needs to be more away and get the ball out quicker, but most importantly we have to run good routes and get open. There were very few times that I saw a wide receiver open this past week, it was embarrassing.

[weymouthst]

Those stats mean jack compared to the game we just witnessed. I live in the now. They sucked Sunday. I can care less what the average is of the season, because the average of every thing is that they lose.

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