According to Person we're keeping Williams...

[panthers55]

No, it is just an easy tactic to claim I hate Williams.

Great RB, great guy to have in your organization.....Hurney screwed us and essentially Williams. I feel bad for him as he could of had a great past couple of years if he played for a team that could of given him the carries and he fit.

Has a reporter asked him about Gamble for him to give a bogus PC answer to? You call people naive....then claim he is trying to trade Gamble? Gamble isn't tradable bc he is an OBVIOUS must cut. If a team wants him they will just wait to pick him up.

Please....... I don't need convincing you don't like Williams why do you persist in trying to say otherwise?? We all know where you stand, you have hundreds of posts condemning him for everyone positive.

And once again you show your ignorance. Why would someone trade for Gamble instead of wait for him to be released. If you wanted him for the 7.9 million in salary he is owed in 2013 and the 8 million he is due in 2014 on a 2 year deal without having to pay any guaranteed money or a signing bonus, you give the Panthers a low round draft pick. That ensures that you don't have competition for his services, and you get him with essentially no guaranteed money what so ever. You only wait for him to be released if you think that you can sign him for less money. So once again what you think is obvious isn't as black and white as you want it to be.

[panthers55]

Poster X - Cutting Williams June 1st creates cap room in 2013 and 2014. The room is worth eating the money bc is what we can do with it

55 - you think we save money? So naive....

You aren't even acknowledging what people say and just slant there arguement into something they aren't actually saying

Cutting Williams doesn't save anything and it cost cap space. It costs us 9.6 million and we have nothing to show for it. We save nothing. Cutting him as a June 1st cut just spread the hit over 2 years. You can't compare what it cost to keep him versus cut him and say we are saving anything because we don;t have the player either or any of that production. Secondly when we restructure him and we will, then this whole conversation will be moot. But at least we can then talk about what it costs to keep him versus cutting him.

[CRA]

Please....... I don't need convincing you don't like Williams why do you persist in trying to say otherwise?? We all know where you stand, you have hundreds of posts condemning him for everyone positive.

And once again you show your ignorance. Why would someone trade for Gamble instead of wait for him to be released. If you wanted him for the 7.9 million in salary he is owed in 2013 and the 8 million he is due in 2014 on a 2 year deal without having to pay any guaranteed money or a signing bonus, you give the Panthers a low round draft pick. That ensures that you don't have competition for his services, and you get him with essentially no guaranteed money what so ever. You only wait for him to be released if you think that you can sign him for less money. So once again what you think is obvious isn't as black and white as you want it to be.

You can easily sign him for less money than he is slated to make....and don't have to give up a pick.

Gamble won't be traded. No one asks the GM about it bc it is common knowledge Carolina is cutting him.

[panthers55]

You can easily sign him for less money than he is slated to make....and don't have to give up a pick.

Gamble won't be traded. No one asks the GM about it bc it is common knowledge Carolina is cutting him.

Actually we agree that Gamble isn't that great anymore. I wouldn't pay him 15 million for 2 years. But if other teams think he is as good as the people on here lamenting we are going to miss him desperately, then 15 million would be a bargain.

[CRA]

Actually we agree that Gamble isn't that great anymore. I wouldn't pay him 15 million for 2 years. But if other teams think he is as good as the people on here lamenting we are going to miss him desperately, then 15 million would be a bargain.

Meh, we agree on most things in reality....we just spend all our conversations on the couple we don't.

I do look forward once things to shaping up to hear your draft thoughts....maybe you and I make it 3 in a row and jump on the pick early again.

[TheRumGone]

....and the dust finally settles.

[frash.exe]

Stupid analogy like usual. Dumping Deangelo and saying you saved money is like buying a phone with a 2 year contract and then deciding you can save a few bucks by switching to another carrier because they have cheaper phones. So you cancel your contract, pay hundreds in penalties as a cancellation fee and rationalize that down the road you will actually save money. Other smart folks like myself, weight out the pros and cons, compare the costs and either decide to wait until the contract is up to switch to avoid large penalty fees or we negotiate with the carrier to let us go for less than the total cancellation fee.

No, a more accurate cellphone metaphor for this would be say I was to have a blackberry curve. It was a really good phone at the time I bought it (let's say circa early 2010), so good in fact that I decided I wanted a 5 year plan on this phone. But now, the screen's been cracked and it shuts off sometimes because of that one time I got drunk and fell in the pool at a BBQ and got it working again but it was never the same. I want a new phone but ATT won't let me get a new policy. I'm paying 139 a month, which includes data and unlimited text with a cancellation fee of, say, 175. Whelp I just found a new phone by Verizon HTC droid whatever and it's absolutely free with 2 year activation. Anyway, it's 60 dollars a month and includes unlimited talk/text and all the data I need, which isn't nearly as much as the data I signed up for when I was using it a lot more 3 years ago. So let's match up how much I'd be paying staying with ATT for the next two years with the same old phone or switching over to Verizon and eating 175 dollars so I can go down $80 a month in phone payments for the next two years

Smart folks can see the correlary to our situation, ignorant ones can't? Which are you?

Smart folks also understand that's not the way corrolary is spelled

[panthers55]

No, a more accurate cellphone metaphor for this would be say I was to have a blackberry curve. It was a really good phone at the time and they required a five year plan on this phone. I thought I would be trading this phone by now but the newer Android smart phone has not worked as well as I thought it would and the old reliable has actually held up better than the new one. I want to keep the new phone as I think it will be the phone of the future but I still have that old contract that will cost hundreds to void at this point. Secondly I know I can rely on the old phone and it really works better than the new one. Thirdly the new phone has had the screen broken and while they told me that it should be fixed and he okay, I won''t know that for several months and I have to shave money off my plan. So do I get rid of the blackberry which will cost me hundreds of dollars to void the contract and I still have to replace the phone with another one and another contract or do I keep the blackberry for another year after negotiating a lower price for that phone until most of the penalties for voiding the contract go down to a reasonable amount.

Smart folks also ignore posters understand that resort to criticizing a typo when they have no argument or merit.

Fixed it for you.............. Now you sound smart............

[frash.exe]

Smart folks also ignore posters and understand when they resort to criticizing a typo when they have no argument or merit.

There, now you sound literate, if still horribly misguided.

[frash.exe]

It's also ironic that you address it despite talking about how you're ignoring it.

[panthers55]

There, now you sound literate, if still horribly misguided.

And you still sound like an unpleasant angry office worker who rants on message boards because they don't have a dog to go home and kick.

[frash.exe]

And you still sound like an unpleasant angry office worker who rants on message boards because they don't have a dog to go home and kick.

whoa there maverick I don't know the world you live in where people constantly abuse animals as a response to frustration but I have two dogs and they're loved very much and have no idea of what it's like to be on the receiving end of abuse.

[panthers55]

whoa there maverick I don't know the world you live in where people constantly abuse animals as a response to frustration but I have two dogs and they're loved very much and have no idea of what it's like to be on the receiving end of abuse.

You make it sound virtuous to abuse people because you are nice to your dogs. Some people would say you have your priorities pretty screwed up.

[frash.exe]

You say virtuous, I say you're just throwing poo against the wall at this point