If we go 9-7 and miss the playoffs, Rivera should NOT be fired.

[CRA]

I wonder how many of the Patriots losses in Belichik's first year there, or his losses when he was on the Browns were attributed to poor coaching decisions. I don't think I've ever heard that said about him.

But yeah, Rivera is in his class, if we just give him a(nother) chance to show it.

After his first 2 yrs in Clev....he wasn't highly praised as a NFL HC. He was definitely in the Rivera area.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1138788

Here is a piece from that era...his coaching was definitely questioned. He was bashed for stubbornly sticking with conservative stuff that wasnt working and a bunch of stuff.

You are letting who BB became influence what he was 2 years in

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

So if you have guys who shouldn't be starting in the secondary, why wouldn't you let one of your FOUR great options at short yardage go for it on fourth down instead of putting your team in a position where they're depending on these non-starting quality players?

Why would you play prevent over and over when it isn't working? There are more examples where coaching failed us far more than any single player. And somehow, when it's undeniable that it IS coaching, then it's the coordinator's fault.

The buck stops nowhere, apparently.

He admitted he made a mistake there and even said recently that he would have gone for it...

But let's ignore the fact that Cam fumbled the ball on what would have been a first down on the third down play, or the fact that if we wouldn't have converted on fourth down that people would have criticized him for going for it.

It's impossible to win with people that only want to see someone fail or only look at the negatives...

I guess you blame Cam's interception in Chicago and McDermott's poor play calling on Rivera.. Do you blame Cam's poor throw to Hartsock against Seattle on Rivera as well?

The point is that the team struggled last year, not just Rivera, but the team.

[Cyberjag]

Then it's settled.  Rivera IS just like Belichick.  Now all he has to do is go someplace else so he can start winning. :D

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

So...exactly what Ron did with the new OC position? Why couldn't he have fired Chud in the middle of the season and promoted Shula to OC then? It's pretty common for mid-season fires to be replaced by "interim" coaching positions to not hinder the development and progression of the team. And then in the offseason they can evaluate potential permanent hires to come in and implement their new system over the offseason.

You also failed to mention that he would have had to promote Dorsey to QB coach and then find a new scout to replace Dorsey... That's just too much to go through.

[FootballMaestro]

What evidence lol?

Quit acting like you know what did or didn't happen. Reporters aren't allowed in on meetings and I can guarantee you (speaking from experience) that you never talk to reporters about meetings, especially meetings about someone losing their job. How do you know he was prompted to talk to Chud? Is this more of your speculation.

Please quote Rivera when he said that he was in on the changes that Chud made.. because currently you aren't bringing a lot of facts to the table...

 

You obviously can't read, re-collect and comprehend. 

 

Nuff said. 

[FootballMaestro]

What evidence lol?

Quit acting like you know what did or didn't happen. Reporters aren't allowed in on meetings and I can guarantee you (speaking from experience) that you never talk to reporters about meetings, especially meetings about someone losing their job. How do you know he was prompted to talk to Chud? Is this more of your speculation.

Please quote Rivera when he said that he was in on the changes that Chud made.. because currently you aren't bringing a lot of facts to the table...

 

You obviously can't read, recollect and comprehend. 

 

Nuff said. 

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I love it when people that haven't even coached peewee pretend like they know more than a head coach in the NFL...

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

You obviously can't read, recollect and comprehend.

Nuff said.

I can read perfectly fine, that's why you are resorting to personal attacks because you have nothing else to say.

[YourManInAmsterdam]

To me, 9-7 or 8-8 (or almost any win-loss record) being the only metric taken into account is really short sighted.  The head coach is only one of myriad influences on a team's regular season record.

 

If they go 9-7, but lost 3 games making busted up calls in the last 15 minutes, he should be let go.  If he goes 7-9 after some series of catastrophies (injuries, arrests, etc.) then he should perhaps stay.

 

All I ask for, ultimately, is improvement.  Last year we saw essentially the same nonsense we saw in 2011; 3rd and 4th quarter lead losses that ended in defeat especially.  That's what has to stop in my mind.  And if it does, the record will improve.  But the record is a symptom, not the cause of the proverbial illness.

 

[Cyberjag]

He admitted he made a mistake there and even said recently that he would have gone for it...

But let's ignore the fact that Cam fumbled the ball on what would have been a first down on the third down play, or the fact that if we wouldn't have converted on fourth down that people would have criticized him for going for it.

It's impossible to win with people that only want to see someone fail or only look at the negatives...

I guess you blame Cam's interception in Chicago and McDermott's poor play calling on Rivera.. Do you blame Cam's poor throw to Hartsock against Seattle on Rivera as well?

The point is that the team struggled last year, not just Rivera, but the team.

 

What the hell is the Head Coach supposed to do then, anyway?  If they have no impact on the success of a team, we should just dump Rivera and use the money we spend on him to hire better coordinators and position coaches. 

 

I'm not even saying we should fire him.  I just think that he's a mediocre coach, but I'm still really pulling for the Panthers and I really hope that he has a great year.  Still, it's silly to think that you can judge him on his performance to date and put him in the same class as the all-time greats.  I'm sure people can look for potential and find it, but you can do that with nearly anything.  In sum, his performance has been lacking to date.

 

Here's to the future though, may it be filled with success for all :)

 

[CRA]

Then it's settled. Rivera IS just like Belichick. Now all he has to do is go someplace else so he can start winning. :D

Could happen....especially if he has a 9-7 type year and misses the playoffs. And JR and DG simply want to get away from a Hurney guy neither was ever high on

[FootballMaestro]

I can read perfectly, that's any you are resorting to personal attacks because you have nothing else to say.

 

No. Not at all. It's exactly what I said. 

 

You obviously want to believe/see what you want (and how you want), despite what's presented. So I'm not going to waste my time trying to discuss it otherwise. And that's fine/no biggie. 

 

I've been very clear in what I've said, and you choose to selective  (if you read and understood everything at all), while being circular in your discussion.   It its what it is. 

 

Weren't you the guy, that totally misread/misunderstood my response to one of your post, that you [sheepishly] admitted later,  you only had read the first line of my [multi paragraph] response to you. 

 

If so (and it's you); it figures, there's precedent to ignore If it's not you; oh well, I apologize in advance. Lol

[beastson]

Another I accept mediocrity thread

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

What the hell is the Head Coach supposed to do then, anyway? If they have no impact on the success of a team, we should just dump Rivera and use the money we spend on him to hire better coordinators and position coaches.

I'm not even saying we should fire him. I just think that he's a mediocre coach, but I'm still really pulling for the Panthers and I really hope that he has a great year. Still, it's silly to think that you can judge him on his performance to date and put him in the same class as the all-time greats. I'm sure people can look for potential and find it, but you can do that with nearly anything. In sum, his performance has been lacking to date.

Here's to the future though, may it be filled with success for all :)

There primary job is to game plan and it's clear that either Rivera and Chud didn't see eye to eye or that Rivera's game plans didn't work... Either way, not expecting hardships from a coach that was in his first two years as an NFL head coach is ludicrous.

I'm also not convinced that he is a good coach, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt because at times he has shown that he can be a solid coach.