While Newton struggles against top passing defenses, Kaepernick is worse

[That49Guy]

Actually to play the "what if" game and if we did this or that is the real stupid part.  If frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass so much.

 

And again you ignore that we are home not away.  We went into your house and kicked your team with who you brought.  We will do the same thing this week as well. Kaepernick sucks against top defenses on the road.  Cam does much better against top defenses at home.  And that will be the difference.  All the rest is just shoulda, coulda, woulda,

 

Lol - what QBs don't do worse on the road and better at home?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Is that your argument? LMAO!

 

[GroundNPound]

Lol - what QBs don't do worse on the road and better at home?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is that your argument? LMAO!

Yet its fourtywhiners weak argument how they won a hard won game over the horribly injury plagued packers with their mid of the pack defense. Reality is gonna hit hard Sunday. We're gonna kill it - no spoon.

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[Peppers90 NC]

I think people tend to forget he was drafted as a project qb, and is still in his first full season as a starter. Cam was drafted as a national champion, heisman winning ,hype machine, franchise player from day 1.   Cam IS the start of carolina, he is carolina.  Kap is another star on a team  chock full of pro bowlers and all pros.  Kap will come into his own.  I imagine he'll have Cams numbers or even better by the time he's been quarterbacking for a couple years.  He's only slightly behind him in most stats as it is in his first full year as a starter.

I don't understand why any of this matters.  Both are in their 3rd years, both led their teams to 12-4 records.  Steve Smith was taken to be a return guy and ended up being hall of fame worthy after fighting to get time catching passes.

 

I would not argue that pretty much every offensive player on the 9ers is better than who we have, with the exception of Cam, Kalil and Tolbert.  Not sure why so many of our posters aren't admitting you guys have significantly more talent than we do on offense, and defense is almost a push.  If this was the Smith of the past 10 years, I would take him over any guy you have to offer.  I am a huge fan of Boldin and think he is one of the more underrated WR's of all time.  We pretty much blanked him last time.  Your line is better than ours, at least at run blocking.  We dominated the pass rush and disguised blitzes that fooled Colin and was hesitant to throw ball in some cases and took the sack.  The scheme of our defense will not change, just the looks, maybe he does better this time, or possibly be confused again and taken out of rhythm and hold the ball just a bit longer.  While Cam has had his problems for sure, he still appears more decisive and can evade the pass rush better which may be the difference.  

 

My point that you quoted, despite having significantly less talent on the offensive side of the ball, this going by all the"all-pros" you supposedly have and we don't, Cam must be way above Colin at this point in their careers to be putting up better numbers, a 12-4 record with way less talent.  Hopefully we can fix that this offseason and be a better match up in years to come.

[Cpt slay a ho]

when did crabtree become the second coming of Calvin Johnson??? i understand he's back in the line up but your crazy if your think he's going to make that much of an impact, along with VD.....you 49er fans are ignoring the biggest factors that would cause you to win and are instead putting your money on 3 players.....it's a team game for a reason and i have yet to see one 49er fan mention brooks 3 sack performance or any other player that played good....but your focus is on 3 players that could easily be game-plan for and end up non effective in the game.

 

and that's the big difference between Carolina fans and 49ers fans, were banking on our team as a whole while you guys are banking on 3 players to save you come sunday

[Heiisenberg]

Actually to play the "what if" game and if we did this or that is the real stupid part.  If frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass so much.

 

And again you ignore that we are home not away.  We went into your house and kicked your team with who you brought.  We will do the same thing this week as well. Kaepernick sucks against top defenses on the road.  Cam does much better against top defenses at home.  And that will be the difference.  All the rest is just shoulda, coulda, woulda,

Nobody is ignoring the panthers are playing at home.  But that fact doesnt matter to the 49ers, as they play just as well on the road as they do at home, well, except in seattle. 

 

As far as top defenses on the road or at home, carolina has lost at home to a top defense already, so they are not infallible.  This will be a close 1 score type game.

[rico6]

a 49er fan that doesn'y even know the gameday roster of their favorite team.

 

Holy fuging lol

[KingKaepernick]

[Heiisenberg]

I don't understand why any of this matters.  Both are in their 3rd years, both led their teams to 12-4 records.  Steve Smith was taken to be a return guy and ended up being hall of fame worthy after fighting to get time catching passes.

 

I would not argue that pretty much every offensive player on the 9ers is better than who we have, with the exception of Cam, Kalil and Tolbert.  Not sure why so many of our posters aren't admitting you guys have significantly more talent than we do on offense, and defense is almost a push.  If this was the Smith of the past 10 years, I would take him over any guy you have to offer.  I am a huge fan of Boldin and think he is one of the more underrated WR's of all time.  We pretty much blanked him last time.  Your line is better than ours, at least at run blocking.  We dominated the pass rush and disguised blitzes that fooled Colin and was hesitant to throw ball in some cases and took the sack.  The scheme of our defense will not change, just the looks, maybe he does better this time, or possibly be confused again and taken out of rhythm and hold the ball just a bit longer.  While Cam has had his problems for sure, he still appears more decisive and can evade the pass rush better which may be the difference.  

 

My point that you quoted, despite having significantly less talent on the offensive side of the ball, this going by all the"all-pros" you supposedly have and we don't, Cam must be way above Colin at this point in their careers to be putting up better numbers, a 12-4 record with way less talent.  Hopefully we can fix that this offseason and be a better match up in years to come.

 

Well, ya it matters, Kaepernick has had significantly less experience quarterbacking in the NFL than Cam has, and everyone has growing pains adjusting to the NFL.  So the fact that we are comparing the slight difference in stats between a  guy with nearly 50 games under his belt with a guy who has less than 30 makes a difference.  I'm excited to see the kind of development Kap has at his 50th game.

 

Crabtree, Hes a pro bowl talent at best I think, may not be an all pro receiver but he's been nothing but dependable lately.  He's been nothing short of deadly in the playoffs though, and he's continued that trend after sitting for so long. He's been so clutch with 3rd and 4th down grabs, so clutch.  We have reason to be excited to see what he can do combined with boldin and davis. SO far its meant Kap has played better.    Crabtree just being in the game makes a difference, thats all.  Its the difference between putting your best db on cratbtree instead of boldin, and not being able to double up on davis because of it.    To put an actual number on it, Kap is throwing for 30 more yards per game than he was without him, which puts him middle of the league, instead of one of the last in the league in YPG.  Boldin we all know has made clutch catches over and over and over.

 

Yes i realize he didnt have a great game, he's admitted as much also. These happen when a guy is in his first full year as a  starter with growing pains.

 

Talent doesnt always equate to wins- the 49ers have been almost as talented before Harbaugh as they are now but couldnt buy a winning season.  

[KingKaepernick]

I might add the above illustration of advanced statistics does not take into the fact that,

 

1. Newton has 48 games of experience

 

2. Kaepernick has 26.

 

In conclusion Kaepernick was statistically better than Newton this season.

 

Playoffs, maybe?

 

Newton -- 0

King Kaepernick - 3-1

 

I rest my case your honor.

[Heiisenberg]

If Rogers was healthy for a couple more weeks to shake off the rust, the 49ers would have gotten ran outta Lambeau

 

That being said Id much rather face the Niners (most overrated team in the NFL) than Green Bay who has the best qb in the NFL

 

 

again, Crabtree doesn't fix the problem you face with Carolina.  Your issue last time wasn't the quality of your receiving target.  Carolina IMO is the worst possible defensive matchup SF could face.  NFL is all about matchups.  We present one for SF.  All top D's aren't built the same.  

 

I dont blame you for not remembering details of the game.  Harbaugh called a go for it on 4th where they could have kicked a field goal that would have ended up being the game winner.  Bowman missed an easy int.  Our TE was knocked out.  None of the other wr did anything, so i think having our best one in would have made some difference.  Especially in a 1 point game where yards were hard to come by for everyone.   He's one of those guys who just has a knack for getting open and catching just about everything.   I think another thing is the 49ers wont be caught off guard or underestimate the quality D carolina has.  of course that goes both ways as carolina has a game against the 9er D too.   But the playoffs are all about defense, and 49ers have it, and against an offense with less weapons.  Cant wait.

[MadHatter]

The fact that you douchebags are living on this forum tell me one certain truth.....you are scared.  You are damn scared.

 

 

[MadHatter]

I might add the above illustration of advanced statistics does not take into the fact that,

 

1. Newton has 48 games of experience

 

2. Kaepernick has 26.

 

In conclusion Kaepernick was statistically better than Newton this season.

 

Playoffs, maybe?

 

Newton -- 0

King Kaepernick - 3-1

 

I rest my case your honor

 

 

Newton 1-0 head to head

 

Kaepernick 0-1 head to head

 

I rest my case BITCH

[frash.exe]

Playoff experience logic sucks because in that case the packers should have shut down the niners last year in the divisionals.

[KingKaepernick]

Newton 1-0 head to head

 

Kaepernick 0-1 head to head

 

I rest my case BITCH

 

Lol.  I see a lot of similarities with panther and seahawks fans. 

 

It is fortunate though, that we Niner fans have King Kaepernick leading our monarch of excellence.

 

Allow me to make the mental transition towards clarity on this subject, more incomplex for you.

 

King Kaepernick - 3-1

Wilson - 1-1

Newton - 0