Brandin Cooks relishes Smitty Comparisons.

[Evengelion]

You are out of your mind regarding Reid.  I don't think the guy is the greatest head coach in the world by any means, but he DOES work wonders with QBs.

 

QBs like AJ Feeley and Kevin Kolb?  Awful.  But Reid made them look like legit NFL QBs and turned them into good trade bait. 

 

You're really pointing to the wildcard game to say that Reid can't coach QBs???  Alex Smith probably had the best game of his career.  The guy was 30-46 for 378 yards, 4 TDs, and 0 INTs.  Add another 8 carries for 57 yards to that as well.  KC's defense just plain poo the bed in that game.  Alex Smith and that offense played out of their minds.

I hate giving credits for players' success. Players execute the plays. There is reason teams draft the best players for their team. Mcnabb was a high draft pick. If Reid can convert The Golden Calf of Bristol into a pro bowler then he's the greatest coach in the world.

[LinvilleGorge]

I hate giving credits for players' success. Players execute the plays. There is reason teams draft the best players for their team. Mcnabb was a high draft pick. If Reid can convert The Golden Calf of Bristol into a pro bowler then he's the greatest coach in the world.

 

But when a coach's teams continue to have success at a position regardless of the name on the back of the jersey...

[Evengelion]

But when a coach's teams continue to have success at a position regardless of the name on the back of the jersey...

That's an uncanny way to evaluate a coach. Alex Smith was doing pretty well with the 9ers. Reid specifically traded for him for a reason. Kolb came in and had a couple decent games. That's what backups do. They come in with the house money mentality and perform well(Matt Flynn?). Especially if it's already a good team. Then when they go to a rebuilding team their late round grade start reflecting their performance. Same thing with Kirk Cousins. They created a good game plan for him against one of the worst team in the league(Cleveland) then all of sudden he was some sort of breaking out superstar. People forgot completely he had the Skins in a hole with his early INT, but fortunately for them Weeden wasn't gonna be out-stunk so he raised Kirk's INT 3 times and he didn't bluff. Once they asked him to perform and prove his trade potential as a full time starter, he stunk up the joint. Nothing to do with Reid's coaching ability. Stop being a coach fan. The players on the field are what the game is all about. The best way to evaluate a player in this very team oriented game is to exclude as many variables as possible. Including the coach's influence make it that much more difficult since every player gets coaching too. As fans, we're no in every team's locker room to evaluate the level of coaching each player receive. So it's best keep to what's on the field.

[LinvilleGorge]

That's an uncanny way to evaluate a coach. Alex Smith was doing pretty well with the 9ers. Reid specifically traded for him for a reason. Kolb came in and had a couple decent games. That's what backups do. They come in with the house money mentality and perform well(Matt Flynn?). Especially if it's already a good team. Then when they go to a rebuilding team their late round grade start reflecting their performance. Same thing with Kirk Cousins. They created a good game plan for him against one of the worst team in the league(Cleveland) then all of sudden he was some sort of breaking out superstar. People forgot completely he had the Skins in a hole with his early INT, but fortunately for them Weeden wasn't gonna be out-stunk so he raised Kirk's INT 3 times and he didn't bluff. Once they asked him to perform and prove his trade potential as a full time starter, he stunk up the joint. Nothing to do with Reid's coaching ability. Stop being a coach fan. The players on the field are what the game is all about. The best way to evaluate a player in this very team oriented game is to exclude as many variables as possible. Including the coach's influence make it that much more difficult since every player gets coaching too. As fans, we're no in every team's locker room to evaluate the level of coaching each player receive. So it's best keep to what's on the field.

 

So, if it's just the players on the field that matter, why don't we just fire Rivera now and I'll go and be the Panthers' head coach for just $100k a year.  Think we go 12-4 next year?

[QCkilla]

If Gettleman likes him enough to draft him, I will be super stoked because I think he's going to be an explosive player. However I don't think that's going to be the case because it's extremely hard to tell if he is talented enough to do it consistently at the next level. I feel like we're going to take a safer pick (that means a bigger receiver).

[Evengelion]

So, if it's just the players on the field that matter, why don't we just fire Rivera now and I'll go and be the Panthers' head coach for just $100k a year.  Think we go 12-4 next year?

All I'm saying is when evaluating individual players in such a team oriented game it's better to exclude as many variables, especially those that are not actively on the field. Like the coaches, home field advantage, etc. Coaches and fans don't convert 4th & 26 to some no name WR in a clutch playoff game.

[LinvilleGorge]

All I'm saying is when evaluating individual players in such a team oriented game it's better to exclude as many variables, especially those that are not actively on the field. Like the coaches, home field advantage, etc. Coaches and fans don't convert 4th & 26 to some no name WR in a clutch playoff game.

 

Sorry, I'll continue to draw conclusions and give coaches credit when they continually get production with their X's and O's regardless of who the Jimmy's and Joe's are.  Kind of like Mike Shanahan and RBs.  Doesn't matter who the RB is, he's gonna put up good numbers.

[Pantherman]

If he is available, and the BPA, why not take him, and let the "Steve Smith type player" learn under Steve Smith?

 

Then take a bigger receiver later in the draft, or pick up one of the bigger free agent receivers? Steve Smith is only going to be around for 2 or 3 more years. 

 

I would not be mad if that happened. 

 

But if he is not the BPA at a position of need (tackle or corner for example) then pass on him.

 

So your telling me bring him in as a project WR for Smith to teach in other words? Sorry, but it ain't worth wasting a 1st round pick on a WR that will take 2-3 years to get where Steve Smith was back then. Smith was drafted in the 5th round and we got lucky that he turned out to be better then just a punt returner. We need to use our  1st round pick on a tall WR who has good hands and is ready to go day one and not a project. If Cook is there in like round 3. Then that would be good time to take him. At the time we took Smith Moose was our number one and the Moose had height. Something we need in another WR before start going after a guy like Cooks. It ain't worth the risk. We need a day one starter from the 1st round. Just so sick of these projects we spend hight round picks on and don't work out. Projects are for 4th round and beyond. Not 3rd round and below.

 

[Evengelion]

Sorry, I'll continue to draw conclusions and give coaches credit when they continually get production with their X's and O's regardless of who the Jimmy's and Joe's are.  Kind of like Mike Shanahan and RBs.  Doesn't matter who the RB is, he's gonna put up good numbers.

You must then be a horrible baseball or basketball fan. You're taking this X's and O's thing too seriously. No team ever win a superbowl because they had the worse players and never will. Teams don't trade the #1 overall pick for 6th and 7th round picks. Teams compete tooth and nail with other teams in order to put the best players on the field. There is a reason for that. If X's and O's were that important they would make a science of it in order to exclude variables like skills and athleticism. This is sports, man.

[LinvilleGorge]

You must then be a horrible baseball or basketball fan. You're taking this X's and O's thing too seriously. No team ever win a superbowl because they had the worse players and never will. Teams don't trade the #1 overall pick for 6th and 7th round picks. Teams compete tooth and nail with other teams in order to put the best players on the field. There is a reason for that. If X's and O's were that important they would make a science of it in order to exclude variables like skills and athleticism. This is sports, man.

 

I don't even know how to respond to this post.  There's too much dumb to wade through.

[sharkkiller]

So your telling me bring him in as a project WR for Smith to teach in other words? Sorry, but it ain't worth wasting a 1st round pick on a WR that will take 2-3 years to get where Steve Smith was back then. Smith was drafted in the 5th round and we got lucky that he turned out to be better then just a punt returner. We need to use our  1st round pick on a tall WR who has good hands and is ready to go day one and not a project. If Cook is there in like round 3. Then that would be good time to take him. At the time we took Smith Moose was our number one and the Moose had height. Something we need in another WR before start going after a guy like Cooks. It ain't worth the risk. We need a day one starter from the 1st round. Just so sick of these projects we spend hight round picks on and don't work out. Projects are for 4th round and beyond. Not 3rd round and below.

 

 

So you missed the part about BPA, then I guess. 

 

I stand by the fact that if he is the BPA at 28, I would not be upset with the pick. 

 

There is nothing saying he would not be an impact palyer his rookie season. 

 

To sum up, I did not say he was a project, I said that he could learn from Steve Smith, just like any other receiver we bring in. 

[top dawg]

So your telling me bring him in as a project WR for Smith to teach in other words? Sorry, but it ain't worth wasting a 1st round pick on a WR that will take 2-3 years to get where Steve Smith was back then. Smith was drafted in the 5th round and we got lucky that he turned out to be better then just a punt returner. We need to use our  1st round pick on a tall WR who has good hands and is ready to go day one and not a project. If Cook is there in like round 3. Then that would be good time to take him. At the time we took Smith Moose was our number one and the Moose had height. Something we need in another WR before start going after a guy like Cooks. It ain't worth the risk. We need a day one starter from the 1st round. Just so sick of these projects we spend hight round picks on and don't work out. Projects are for 4th round and beyond. Not 3rd round and below.

 

 

Da fug are you talking 'bout?  No one, and I mean no one, in any scouting report or remarks that I have read has referenced Cooks as a project. To the contrary.  The main knock on him is his size. People also have mentioned the the fact that he has run limited routes, but have to admit that he runs good routes.  Of course in today's climate, for some odd reason people act like a WR has to be big to be effective, never mind the fact that there are many effective smaller receivers in the NFL, including Super Bowl champions. Some people also assume that Cooks is going to have to run a lightning fast 40 to compensate for his size because of limited thinking by those doing the picking ( BTW, G-man doesn't strike me as a limited thinker) which may turn out to be true, but at the end of the day someone may end up getting a steal, as Cooks obviously knows how to produce at exactly the size he is.  Cooks  appears pro-ready, has great hands, is explosive, and starts and stops on a dime better than any player many of these guys have ever seen. Plus, he's never missed a game on any level. Does that sound like a project? 

 

You want to know who the biggest project is this year? The second tallest receiver coming out: Kevin Benjamin.  Another "project" (who I would love to get) is 6'6" Brandon Coleman.  But, in reality these guys, much like Devin Street, aren't as pro-ready as Cooks, and not necessarily as explosive in the open field.

[Udogg]

We need a receiver that is like Brandon Lafell and Ted Ginn rolled into one.  We need height, strength, ball catching in traffic and ability to stretch the field. I have never been a height trumps everything type of guy.  However Cam throws the ball high.  Why not get a player who can go get those passes.  I'm still on the Jordan Mathews bandwagon personally.

[Razeyfingers]

The most forgotten thing I know of when listening to you guys is this: These are boys that will become men. Their bodies will change when they enter the NFL. Smitty wasnt stiffing arming lb's as a rookie.

 

That being said, Cooks lacks in top speed and vert compared to 89. That's probably not going to change much. His feet and balance are top tier though. My view of Cooks is not that he can be another Smitty, but he could be Welker.