Panthers, Hardy talking long-term deal

[carpanfan96]

We can give him whatever he wants in total money but we need to limit the guaranteed money.  I would suspect that the 6 years and 70 year contract as long as the guaranteed was only around 25.  If back loaded we could renegotiate in a few years or move on as long as the dead cap money wasn't ridiculous which comes when the signing bonus and guaranteed money isn't crazy. In the end the guaranteed money is what really matters.

 

Might be able to get the guaranteed money down to 25, but we are talking about Mr. Ruthless as his agent here. He was able to get Paul Kruger a 40 million dollar deal with half of it guaranteed. 

[carpanfan96]

Tell me it's 8 mil a year.

 

It's not going to be 8 a year, Kruger got that last season. Hardy is going to get a lot more then Kruger ever dreamed of getting. 

[therealmjl]

Tell me it's 8 mil a year.

It's 8 mil a year.

[Chief Keek]

Don Gettleman gets the job done, hopefully they can reach a deal.

[El Chingon]

Don Gettleman gets the job done, hopefully they can reach a deal.

A long term deal would be much better for the Panthers than simply tagging him.

[updownsigma]

I really don't like the idea of a long term deal like CJ got. We'll end up paying him like a 15 sack/season guy for 6+ years when we have no idea if he'll play to that level from here on out. I know that's the risk you take on with any long term contract, but it really don't like it in this situation. If we wanted a long term deal, we could have gotten a better one last offseason.

 

Does anyone really think we won't be a top 5 defense next year without him? He's a great player but we'd still be great defensively without him, especially if we resign Captain/Mitchell and bring in some other guys in the secondary (all of whom could be had for probably about what one year of Hardy's cap hit would be). On the other hand, everything points to us sliding further back offensively next year so far. Yeah I know there's still the draft to go, we'll have to see what happens...

[Evengelion]

12-14 mil? That's 30 mil on only 2 players on the DL(Hardy & CJ). We're doing the same thing with DEs as Hurney did with RBs. wtf!

[panthers55]

Might be able to get the guaranteed money down to 25, but we are talking about Mr. Ruthless as his agent here. He was able to get Paul Kruger a 40 million dollar deal with half of it guaranteed. 

It will be interesting to see whether any other teams will try to sign him when we tag him.  I suspect that no one will give 2 firsts for him and Gettleman may very well be fine with tagging him and letting him play for that.  We have players like Johnson, Godfrey and others who we can still squeeze for more cap money so really Rosenhaus doesn't have the leverage he might have with other players and we don't have to sign Hardy long term. We could tag him next year and still not pay him more than 14.5.  A 2 year deal for 26.5 wouldn't be that bad as long as we can absorb the cap hit.  And with 17 million in dead cap space coming off the books this year and the cap likely to rise again next year, we really are in the drivers seat.

[El Chingon]

We're gonna tag Hardy, no deal will occur,

[panthers55]

12-14 mil? That's 30 mil on only 2 players on the DL(Hardy & CJ). We're doing the same thing with DEs as Hurney did with RBs. wtf!

First of all CJ will either need to restructure or he will gone after this year.  Secondly DEs always get a huge deal so it isn't the same as all.  RBs are easy to find, while 4-3 DEs are actually hard to find.  Lastly the problem with Williams and Stewarts contract was the guaranteed money not the total money.

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

Why cant we just franchise send to Oakland and be done with it lol #GetWatkins

[Gabeking]

if it's really 12 to 14 mil per year, let him walk or try to move him.

that's absurd. we can't afford it. bigger fish to fry.

"if he hits the open market"

[Evengelion]

First of all CJ will either need to restructure or he will gone after this year.  Secondly DEs always get a huge deal so it isn't the same as all.  RBs are easy to find, while 4-3 DEs are actually hard to find.  Lastly the problem with Williams and Stewarts contract was the guaranteed money not the total money.

But we have both RB and DE contract problem. The fact that the RBs aren't productive makes this a tough pill to swallow.

 

[panthers55]

But we have both RB and DE contract problem. The fact that the RBs aren't productive makes this a tough pill to swallow.

 

But the DEs were productive and Hardy is just coming into his own.  Lumping them in with the running backs is apples and oranges.