Gettlemagic

[Catalyst]

That was 100% on Shula's offensive philosophy. Unless Shula changes I would assume we're looking at even lower numbers. Possibly much lower.

 

2012 yards from WR's (Chud): 2,357 yards

2013 yards from WR's (Shula): 1,983 yards

Difference: 374 yards

 

It's not like we had a huge drop-off between Chud and Shula.

[Guest shitposting]

2012 yards from WR's (Chud): 2,357 yards

2013 yards from WR's (Shula): 1,983 yards

Difference: 374 yards

 

It's not like we had a huge drop-off between Chud and Shula.

 

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic? That's a pretty big drop considering we upgraded our WR position by adding Ginn.

 

Also, what were the numbers in 2011 before Chud started looking for a new job?

[R0CKnR0LLA]

I don't know about you guys but I'm pretty confident that we'll have a top 30 offense

 

 

 

....probably

[The Huddler]

2012 yards from WR's (Chud): 2,357 yards

2013 yards from WR's (Shula): 1,983 yards

Difference: 374 yards

It's not like we had a huge drop-off between Chud and Shula.

I'm on your side, but keep in mind chud went full retard in 2012. Chud was at his best in 2011.

We all need to keep in mind that conservative offense was the overall team philosophy in 2013, which won 12 games. We ate clock, sustained drives, and kept our defense off the field. Proved to be a winning formula.

[Catalyst]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic? That's a pretty big drop considering we upgraded our WR position by adding Ginn.

 

Also, what were the numbers in 2011 before Chud started looking for a new job?

 

You mean when Smith was 2 years younger? Players over 30 decline quickly in this league. Most of the decline we saw was due to a more balance approach and Cam spreading the ball around more. Also not having to score 30+ to win because of the defense.

 

Shula's approach is more conservative, but it's not the reason why our WR's struggled to approach 2,000 yards.

[The Huddler]

2012 chud: won 7 games

2013 shula: won 12

Not saying we will be this year, but a conservative O was the best winning strategy at the time considering who we where able to have on offense.

With our personnel, we had no choice but to run our offense the way we did. It all meshed together with the game plan, offense and defense.

[MHS831]

That's utter bullcrap and you know it.

 

You want to know what is bullcrap?  All of the people on here who are on suicide watch because we are not overpaying for mediocre talent. 

 

It is March.   Gettlemen is not done and emotional reactions right now are premature. 

 

For example, if we signed Cotchery,  drafted Odell Beckham Jr, and Donte Moncrief, you would want the previous WR corps--assuming we could afford them anyway?

 

I wouldn't.

 

[Guest shitposting]

You mean when Smith was 2 years younger? Players over 30 decline quickly in this league. Most of the decline we saw was due to a more balance approach and Cam spreading the ball around more. Also not having to score 30+ to win because of the defense.

 

Shula's approach is more conservative, but it's not the reason why our WR's struggled to approach 2,000 yards.

 

That's not the reason. It's Shula's offense that's to be blamed for the declined. I don't want to hear this bullshit that changing from a high powered offense, one with the most explosive plays in league to one with the least was somehow not going to change our receivers numbers. Ginn is way better then Naanee, and LaFell even had an extra year to develop, hell even Cam improved in his third year. The only thing that didn't improve was our offensive coordinator. Before the season began many people thought our offense would be one of the better rated in the league. Zod however had the right idea, and knew that Shula would drag it into the dirt. 

 

Also, Shula did not win us games, he lost them. Our defense and Riverboat Ron is the only reason we won twelve games last season. This whole conservative, under powered offenses improve defenses is utter bullshit. New Orleans, and many other teams have proven you don't need to play scared to have a top defense.

[heel31ok]

This. I don't know that our WR's will be a huge step up from last year (once we sign/draft them) but it's not like we're losing an elite unit or anything. Smith being cut was more of an emotional gut punch than a huge hit to the production of our WR corp. Ginn and LaFell were way overpaid. Hixon barely played last year anyway.

 

I think all the "D.G. is in rebuilding mode" is off base for the team as a whole, but certainly not for the WR corp. We should be able to at least replicate last year's production from a few mid-level FA's and a 1st/2nd round rookie.

or maybe the Offense is just bad?

[Jrock88]

for his next trick... he will make charles godfrey dissapear!!

[The Huddler]

That's not the reason. It's Shula's offense that's to be blamed for the declined. I don't want to hear this bullshit that changing from a high powered offense, one with the most explosive plays in league to one with the least was somehow not going to change our receivers numbers. Ginn is way better then Naanee, and LaFell even had an extra year to develop, hell even Cam improved in his third year. The only thing that didn't improve was our offensive coordinator. Before the season began many people thought our offense would be one of the better rated in the league. Zod however had the right idea, and knew that Shula would drag it into the dirt.

Also, Shula did not win us games, he lost them. Our defense and Riverboat Ron is the only reason we won twelve games last season. This whole conservative, underpowered offenses improve defenses is utter bullshit. New Orleans, and many other teams have proven you don't need to play scared to have a top defense.

Our conservative offense helped out our D by keeping them off the field.

[TheRed]

2012 chud: won 7 games

2013 shula: won 12

Not saying we will be this year, but a conservative O was the best winning strategy at the time considering who we where able to have on offense.

That's not much of a comparison without factoring in the defense.

2012 - 23rd overall.

2013 - 2nd overall.

[Catalyst]

That's not the reason. It's Shula's offense that's to be blamed for the declined. I don't want to hear this bullshit that changing from a high powered offense, one with the most explosive plays in league to one with the least was somehow not going to change our receivers numbers. Ginn is way better then Naanee, and LaFell even had an extra year to develop, hell even Cam improved in his third year. The only thing that didn't improve was our offensive coordinator. Before the season began many people thought our offense would be one of the better rated in the league. Zod however had the right idea, and knew that Shula would drag it into the dirt. 

 

Also, Shula did not win us games, he lost them. Our defense and Riverboat Ron is the only reason we won twelve games last season. This whole conservative, under powered offenses improve defenses is utter bullshit. New Orleans, and many other teams have proven you don't need to play scared to have a top defense.

 

I'm not saying I agree with Shula's approach, but no NFL WR plays at an elite level into their mid-30's. Decline comes and it comes rapidly. Smith was clearly in decline, Shula or no Shula.

 

[MHS831]

This. I don't know that our WR's will be a huge step up from last year (once we sign/draft them) but it's not like we're losing an elite unit or anything. Smith being cut was more of an emotional gut punch than a huge hit to the production of our WR corp. Ginn and LaFell were way overpaid. Hixon barely played last year anyway.

 

I think all the "D.G. is in rebuilding mode" is off base for the team as a whole, but certainly not for the WR corp. We should be able to at least replicate last year's production from a few mid-level FA's and a 1st/2nd round rookie.

 

Yep.  We could not afford them and their talent was mediocre.  I would rather go with a few young studs in a deep WR class than keep what we had (A 35-year old, 5'9" WR making $7 million this year--not to mention that his salary would have gone up with his age; Brandon Lafell, a slowish WR with hands issues; and Ted Ginn, a WR who cannot run the entire route tree).  If we paid what they earned (aside from Smitty) it would cost us about $16 million to keep them here.