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XL did go chase down that moonball nothing pass to nowhere last week.

The bolded portion highlights where you're going wrong. Wilson, Geno and Baker aren't "offenses", they're quarterbacks running an offense. Offenses have concepts. Quarterbacks have skill sets. Sometimes they match. Other times they don't. But even when concepts and skill set do match, that isn't a guarantee of success because you have to factor in ability and other things. Your suggestion that Bryce doesn't fit what Canales does is wrong. He fits just fine. It's his ability that's lacking.

And this year turned the best downfield threat in the draft into an old white possession tight end

Mike Evans and Chris Godwin >>>>>> anything we going DK and Lockett >>>>>>> anything we got What is really scary is that Canales who is a WR guy thought XL was also a 1st round pick

evero went into prevent zone defense in the 4th quarter up 17-10 and got picked apart by a rookie QB

you want be to talk about broad schemes. I want to talk specifically about the offenses Dave Canales worked in. Which is all Dave knows and it shows. If you don't want to talk about Dave's offenses? Cool. Don't. But that's all that really matters. Dave Canales' brand of football in a convo about Dave Canales.

Puka claimed he didn’t know he was doing an anti semitism so I guess the nfl isn’t going to inflict a suspension

That helps my case even more lol. So he got stuck in 3rd and long a lot due to short smaller plays and HAD to throw it deeper on 3rd down and STILL posted his lowest YPA of his career. I keep referring to YPA because it's the cumulative average vs focusing on certain downs. It is interesting that Baker was good big on downs because we are actually pretty decent on 4th downs this year. Maybe that's a little niche Canales is figuring out? Again Geno's offense wasn't Canales' offense. He was the QB coach. The OC (who again was not Canales) did throw it down field with DK and Lockett and rightfully so. Now check out Geno without those weapons and maybe it will help you see that the deep ball is a WR stat more than anything. Most every coach in the league needs a playmaker at QB. It's what they are so expensive and teams mortgage their futures trying to get one.

Get to see Darnold. Probably going to beat the shat out of us.

No. What I'm actually wanting to do is discuss concepts that you don't seem to understand (and that's odd given that I just gave a very base level explanation of the ideas) You sound like you're trying to steer away from this discussion, which I suppose I get under the circumstances. KFD and For Jimmy get it...

I would rather play super aggressive defense with chance of a turnover if it means the opposing team scores faster, than what happen vs NO where two drives took up 20 minutes. The pass rush is so bad, even when we blitz Shough has a clean pocket

And he can still walk under it.

Banger of a Thusday night game tonight with major playoff implications. Figured I'd just make a new thread for it.

About what we would have expected...

Go check what Baker did on 3rd down with Canales in Tampa. He bailed a very meh offense out that season going downfield on 3rd down. Like said, there is a deep dive thread somewhere about every stop. There are some deep dive articles that go into the magic Baker had to pull on 3rd down that season because the O actually sucked. Which got talked about when Canales was hired (that the O wasn't actually good, Baker was on big downs). Geno was absurd downfield for his comeback (think he lead the NFL in deep shots that season and we know Wilson was the king of the f you deep ball) Canales needs to be paired w/ a playmaker at QB. Just like every variant of the offenses he worked on needed to be to in order to make up for meh O schemes and meh overall playcalling.

Exactly. Just because you are part of the staff of a Head Coach doesn't make you an immediate replica of that coach once you branch out on your own.

Valid, and throw in that what Wilson and Smith did is not out of the ordinary for a WCO

Darnold was pretty bad until last year. He implodes mentally, its just what he does. To this day I dont have a problem with letting him walk. Baker is a bit different. He was an ass in Cleveland and they couldnt deal with his poo, but he at least had talent and went to the playoffs. So you know he could play at least. There were different stories coming out from the time he got here, competing with Sam and then the practice team release fiasco. Both good and bad. Some say he was a good teammate others say he bitched behind the scenes. From what it appears his wife has worked with him and he calmed down and his play has reflected that. Tampa loves him. So if we were going to keep one it probably should have been him but man he was really bad for us. But to his defense he didnt get the first team reps until late into camp. In obvious hindsight we should have signed Baker cheap, drafted a dude and let the cards play out, but you know the rest of the story and now we are going to have to watch bryce for 2 more years

Again his one year calling plays happened to be Baker's lowest YPA not counting his split year hear. That tells me he was less aggressive with a QB who likes to be aggressive. We have that and almost 2 full years of Bryce Ball here in Carolina. He will take some deeps shots as most offenses have to in order to keep the defense honest. Quick passes and hopeful YAC. I'll give you one guess to which year Rachaad White had the most receptions as TB's RB? Remember the first thing he wanted to do here is focus on how quickly he wanted to get the ball out. That's part of his recipe to help QBs and help his OL. Run the ball, quick passes to hopefully players in space, sprinkle in a little PA. So yeah you can look at some coaches he learned under and speculate, but I am telling you what he literally is doing and has done as a play caller. Offenses that were and are 100% his baby.

I mean....Darnold has many, many years of producing left to be Cousins.

Ah, you mean the ol "line the entire defense up near the marker" 3rd down play??? There is no possible way that could fail!

that's why I reference the entire specific tree Canales came up in and what made the offenses work at each point in time. You have 3 offenses. Wilson, Geno and Baker. They all have shared the same traits that made them work. All the offenses have been relatively uncreative (which Canales essentially conceded he wasn't bringing rocket science to Carolina) and have been dependent on having an aggressive QB downfield to essentially provide the balance to a predictable and boring offensive scheme. Deep dive was done into the passing game of all those dudes/offenses before the Bryce/Canales era ever kicked off. Canales specific tree has always been dependent on the downfield ball at every stop. It hasn't worked at any point without QB that naturally is aggressive downfield and helps bail the O out.

Darnold folds when it's put on him. He is fine when the team carries him. Here they put it on the QBs 3 times in 3 years while no one could carry Rhule's mess of a nonexistent NFL level program. I would personally take Cousins because he was a better version of Darnold in every way except pay levels. Baker was a playoff QB his rookie year and another/final desperation move for a crew failing out of the NFL. He was the best of the 3 and it was never close. The context matters. Wilks had the truely good QB running scout team DE spouting crap like 'it's not my call' as an interim HC. I don't remember one person that didn't have Tepper and Rhule issues way ahead of the QBs problems by that time. Teddy got it worse but when Sam showed up the pattern became clear to most. No way to un-fug what those people did in those 3 years. Teddy was never going to be a savior they needed, they didn't use Sam as a bridge QB like they should have and they brought the best one into the worst situation steeped in desperation and incompetence in a year 3 that should never have happened. None were ever going to workout here given how the team was run, it was all built to fail. The people that didn't want them were right, maybe not for the correct reasons but that depends on the who, and the team proceeded to prove it.

Evero is becoming Eric Washington levels of bad. It's been over 7 years, and I still can't figure out what Eric Washington was trying to accomplish on this play.